(Please) Stop begging unnecessary game changes

@targasbr For me, I can see a reason for private or pve servers. And it has little to do with lack of desire for PvP. If I am not in the mode for PvP, you won't catch me on my brig, or I will simply leave the server before you can catch me. No big deal there. But, I do like to play with my 9 year old son. He lives with his mom and I only get to see him 4 days a month. One thing that helps us connect is SoT. I even bought him an Xbox for Christmas so that he could play with me from his moms house. Even better, my daughter that also lives with her mom just started playing, so I will get a chance to start playing with her as well.

There have been far too many times when I play with my son that we encounter someone that simply wants to kill us, even if we have no loot, and are toxic in doing so. My son doesn't understand why I have to tell him we need to quit the game and start over when this happens. And don't say this game is not for kids, I know it might have a higher rating, but even Joe Neate said the game was designed for families. And honestly, the cartoonish design behind the game is very appealing to kids. And killing skellies is fun for all ages. So I would very much be in support of private or PvE only servers. I don't care about progression as I am PLA10, but I do care about getting any extra time I can with my son.

Also, I play both PC and XBox, and there is most definitely an advantage in many areas for PC over XBox. Even if you don't use macros, which I am thankful that you do not, your aiming is much more accurate and fast on PC than it is in Xbox, even with the new sensitivity settings. Even load times are a ton faster on PC over Xbox, so if you end up KOS, then you can respawn in almost half the time an Xbox player can. This too gives you an advantage.

Doublegun, whether can be done on both platforms or not, is just stupid, but if that floats your boat, then go for it.

I agree, they need to increase shrouded ghosts spawn rate. I got to battle it once, and darn thing went away mid battle, despite the fact we were not in range of any rocks or islands.

@eph1zul Most people find it refreshin to be in a world with all different shaped and sized pirates. Some like PvP some don't Mind PvP some swear by being just PvE. Having all these different people and all the different reactions on the seas is what makes this game for the most of us.

It's also a time and money sink to make a PvE server. I'd suggest following Gregg Mayles @Ghoulyboy on twitter. He posts a lot of development info for Sea of Thieves. Here I found a lot of info on the thought process at Rare and it's facinating.
I bet they have good reasons not to introduce a PvE server and I'll bet you the Arena is their answer for those who just want action and sink people (thus making the waves a little less hostile).

@d3adst1ck said in Stop begging unnecessary game changes:

@nofears-fun said in Stop begging unnecessary game changes:

Even load times are a ton faster on PC over Xbox, so if you end up KOS, then you can respawn in almost half the time an Xbox player can. This too gives you an advantage.

Unless the black loading screen after you enter the doorway takes as long as the entire time on the ferry, this is false.

It might be quicker, and that is highly hardware dependent, but half the time? No way.

It is up to 40% faster based on speed tests done by many others. I personally upgraded to an external SSD drive on my XB1X and find my load times have increased by roughly 40%. I have not actually timed it, but there is a very big, noticeable difference. My first mate has even asked me how I am able to load in so much faster than she is, it is that dramatic of a difference.

@eph1zul I'm not talking about servers themselves.
It's more a people problem. People cost money. Having an entire team make something no-one was realy asking for is a time sink.

I've led many projects and have had many users ask for things that they thought they wanted but the project just didn't need. I've even had higher ups force me to go far over budget just to have features coded into systems that were just bad for the system overall. It costs money to have people make things. PvE servers are no different.

Imagine if you will being at Rare and having lovingly crafted this world where everyone is free to interact with it as they see fit. And then have to destroy it at its core because a select and loud few want it differently?

It's like those people at work who want an I-Mac in stead of a windows machine because they THINK it's better but none of your software works on Mac-OS.

Thanks for posting, @targasbr.

Could you put Bring back Temporary Cosmetics on the list? I kinda dislike the players who keep begging for a reward that they just weren't around for.

@targasbr said in Stop begging unnecessary game changes:

@eph1zul disse em Stop begging unnecessary game changes:

Why would you be against PvE servers?

I'm not against PvE servers. I'm against the community asking for changes that go against the game proposal.

Sorry two words from the mouths of Rare changed all that. The Arena.

This is not very welcoming and friendly to all members of the community either.

@targasbr said in Stop begging unnecessary game changes:

@x-crowheart-x disse em Stop begging unnecessary game changes:

@targasbr said in Stop begging unnecessary game changes:

@eph1zul disse em Stop begging unnecessary game changes:

Why would you be against PvE servers?

I'm not against PvE servers. I'm against the community asking for changes that go against the game proposal.

Sorry two words from the mouths of Rare changed all that. The Arena.

Changed? Where?

The original proposal and vision was for one big open sandbox world. That was what was promised and we bought into literally. The Arena is a separate mode of the original proposal condensed down in their own words to a faster, mini version to promote and reward competition in the form of PvP.

There is no purist ground to stand on. Rare said there would never be modes. Well we are getting two of them soon called Adventure and The Arena. Should never say never unless you have the perseverance to mean it. To not be open to all members of the community would not be fair and would be very hypocritical at this point.

I agree ... it makes no sense to separate PVP from PVE, the name of the game itself has the word "THIEVES", that is, it is part of the game being attacked and stolen by another trip when playing a multuplayer, do not keep crying for and it's no good to be insulting the players because they attacked you, this is not forbidden in the game, the game actually induces you to do so if you want to. If you want to become a "Legend of the Seas" then you have to face any danger that appears ahead.

As for the argument of wanting to play with your child in peace, of course I agree that you have this right, but the game does not have that objective and in an online / multiplayer mode you will hardly have that peace in any game ...

What perhaps they could do is something really aimed at children's audiences, an offline mode where you would just do basic story missions where you would not hear progression like online and the rewards were also different so that they even avoid contact with players who use the game chat and talk nonsense.

I have to disagree with the original post here. Community feedback has brought many amazing additions to the game. Without community feedback, the game would not be the same. I think calling for a stop to community feedback, whether it is for additions to the game, or subtractions to the game will hinder its further growth.

When the game first released, all you heard was that it was released far too soon, not enough content to make it fun. But Rare already had tons of feedback from play testing, and had already made designs for further growth. And even after release, they continued to listen to the community, and made changes, even changes they never wanted. Look at skelly ships, they never wanted roaming AI ships in the game. They wanted every ship you encounter to have someone on the other side of the wheel. But, thanks to community feedback, we have one of the best AI encounters in the game now. A feature that I personally love. And there are many others that go along with this.

@targasbr

Hey dude.

Though I commend your arguments and points. It is well written and has good ideas. I agree with most of them. Though the entire premise of the thread is breaking the spirit of what feedback is.

Just because you may disagree with someone's points (because I have seen some ideas I don't agree with on the forums) then you can address that in their feedback thread and state your opinion.

Feedback is simply feedback. It will be up to Rare to make the decisions and changes. And some of the feedback has been addressed so far too certain degrees. So, we don't want to necessarily alienate people on the forums. I get what you're saying but bad form jack!

@jet-fire-diego said in Stop begging unnecessary game changes:

I agree ... it makes no sense to separate PVP from PVE, the name of the game itself has the word "THIEVES", that is, it is part of the game being attacked and stolen by another trip when playing a multuplayer, do not keep crying for and it's no good to be insulting the players because they attacked you, this is not forbidden in the game, the game actually induces you to do so if you want to. If you want to become a "Legend of the Seas" then you have to face any danger that appears ahead.

As for the argument of wanting to play with your child in peace, of course I agree that you have this right, but the game does not have that objective and in an online / multiplayer mode you will hardly have that peace in any game ...

What perhaps they could do is something really aimed at children's audiences, an offline mode where you would just do basic story missions where you would not hear progression like online and the rewards were also different so that they even avoid contact with players who use the game chat and talk nonsense.

Actually it is for him playing with his child. Rare recently accepted one of the few awards they received and it was for best family/social game that Joe Neate graciously accepted. Joe Neate himself has passionately stated many times that this game was intended for all types of players and especially families. He even specifically spoke about parents teaching their kids about sailing and how things worked as they played together.

Many times Joe has said in numerous talks and speeches that the vision was absolutely not all about killing other players all the time. He specifically said it was more a game were players of all ages and differences could come together to be social and roleplay their pirate fantasies and tell their pirate stories. Rather it be by themselves or at times with others.

So, the problem is the true vision has been commandeered by the part of the community that wants what Joe said the game was the least the most. He also just said in his most recent video that it was time for the community to revisit the Pirate Code.

The nonsense that we are pirates and not care bears or this is not the “Sea of Friends” is what truly needs to stop. This original post only promotes and echoes what is not the true vision of the game and the way we all shall be as a community. Sailing on the Sea of Thieves should be uniting all of us despite how we want to play it or how Rare may give us options to play it the way each of us want and love best about it.

I love and stand behind the true vision that was first proposed, that Joe can talk very passionately about, that we have been playing up to now. Hopefully we will always we able to find it in the adventure mode. If the vision worked the way Rare originally intended we all would find what we want there. The community just has not sailed along in that direction as much as it should. So, if Rare is giving us The Arena for some who want to look for more of what they want in one type of mode, I have nothing against another. It would only be fair.

@targasbr said in Stop begging unnecessary game changes:

This could happen on Sea of Thieves. This is a PIRATE game, not a navigator game, not a explorer game. I've seen players asking for autorunner, vikings, machineguns, parachutes...

instead of trying to totally change a game, maybe the solution is to go play another game. I do not particularly like soccer games, and I don't go ask for mechanics that make players fight among themselves or even mechanics that remove the opposing team so that I can score goals.

Don't forget the all important submarine that was suggested a while back. LOL. I know what you are saying, to be honest though, I would not mind some of the above changes. But as I said, for different reasons than some might want them.

As for soccer, man having hacky sack available while on long voyages would be awesome, great suggestion matey. :)

And yes, I would want to teach my kid good sportsmanship and all that while playing. But a private server, maybe not even PvE only, but age appropriate, or family friendly, I would be all for that. Yes, you can mute other crews, but what fun is that? Plus, I have sadly had some occasions where thankfully my son was in the same room as me when someone sent him a toxic message in xbox after sinking our ship.