Solution for stocking the ship with supplies

@testakleze So what your suggesting here is allowing players to directly purchase utility in th form of items. We actually once had this as Resouces create oringinally came from high level Merchant Voyages, but where taking out and made locked behind random voyages in bottles and now barrels do to the fact that High level players would often buy these voyages and canceled them just to get and used these creates. This was seen as a Disadvantage to new players thus was removed. As for example a galleon with a cannon ball create can reload cannons faster as all they need to do was fill up the creates with cannballs a place it behind the cannons so a player simply needed to turn around to restock then get back on the cannon to fire.

I however felt like this was a mistake as Resource creats are lootable objects and are worth have thus worth stealing. This is actually the Essence in which my Rogue Wave Project is founded on by given loot utility where you can both find and purchase and allowing them to be stealable/tradeable in player driven economy where the loot has a direct impact on gameplay as player will need to be smart on how they approah or interact with another ship. By making progression tied to the ship with a visual indicator of a ships threat level and possible difficulty will allow crew to better decide how they should interact with an unknown ship.

So needless to say im on board with your idea along with the idea's from the post Docking:Pit Stops.

I would like to use your post as a refence to my Rogue Wave project, would you be ok with that?

@testakleze said in My solution for stocking the ship with supplies:

@enf0rcer yeah if you want to use my post feel free. I'm in no way emotionally attached to this idea so it won't hurt my feelings if people don't agree. Also I was sure I wasn't the first to think of something like this, it just didn't seem to be considered in recent posts.

Do to the way inwhich the fourum work many great idea's get buried and never seen in recent post which is why i Created the Community Idea's Master List. Feel free to save the link and use it as a reference and a tool to promote your idea's as i try to keep it updated and always adding both new and old idea's.

Coming across random crates always raises the question in the crew of if we should keep it or sell it and it's usually decided on by how much our ship is stocked. Without making huge changes to the game we can help make this aspect more enjoyable and less time consuming without also creating huge problems or exploits.

This is a whole Topic in an of itself but i definitly belive this can and should be done. The only reason why i turn in resource creates is for the achivement and commendation but since that only counts while having an active voyage for them. I normally just keep them on my ship for there utility as that is far more valuable to me then gold and sell them before i log off as i can't save them. Thats how my thinking goes.

@starship42 said in My solution for stocking the ship with supplies:

What if... on a cargo run, or the completion of a quest, results in a NPC - instead of giving you gold for your items, offers you an IOU; for restocking supplies on your ship.

So, rather than purchasable restocking of basic supplies directly; cannon balls, bananas, wood. Have it so an NPC offers you a redeemable IOU that you use to replenish your ship at any outpost - in exchange for finishing a quest, or a specific portion of the loot, or cargo, one brings in.

This would be a barter offer. "Would you like a payment in gold, or an IOU for ship resupply?" If you accept ship resupply IOU, just take the IOU credit to the shipwright, or merchant, and your ship is instantly stocked to a set amount per item. Say, 50 cannon balls, 50 wood planks, 50 bananas. You accept this deal as an alternative to being paid in gold.

See i don't like the idea of instant resocking as it would defeat the purpose of looting in barrels. Also we really need a persistant gold sink if loot is to continue to have a gold value or else why even sell loot for gold? why not instead just trade loot directly for cosmetics and resources rewards?

@starship42 said in My solution for stocking the ship with supplies:

@enf0rcer well, I saw this as an alternative solution, specifically to the idea of making resupplying of a ship more expedient. I believe expert/wealthy players will have an unfair advantage were they able to purchase via gold instant resupplies of their vessels.

By incorporating "services for goods" exchanges instead of direct payment, it means in order to obtain the IOU resupply voucher, one must accept that offer from an NPC AFTER they have completed a quest/cargo run.

So an offer would be made, but it may not be worth the player's efforts, so they may decline. The important thing is that the player is restricted from buying resupply outright. Also, the IOU's may be limited to specific numbers of each item, so...

Some IOU's may be limited to 10 of each. Some may be 50 of each. So you're not paying in gold for this service. You have been made a business DEAL - would you like resupply, or payment in gold?

The only way a player can resupply is via such a IOU voucher exchange system. This would make expert/wealthy players treated on par with new or inexperienced players, as these offers will come up for all players equally.

They may also not alwawys be lucrative. Some NPC's may want to rip you off, or take advantage of you at different times. Or, they might be feeling generous some days.

The IOU concept avoids direct gold payments, thus insuring noone can gain an unfair advantage because they are wealthy. The IOU's will have limits and may not always be worth it.

Like i said it's the "instant" part of the restocking i have an issue with i'm perfectly fine with an IOU item but it needs to have a time limit as i exppressed in the Pit Stop post. If you ship was to gain supplies over time at only a slightoy fast Rate then restocking the ship your self then i would be 100 percent onboard.

You have another good system which would benfit less wealthy players i will agree.

@starship42 said in My solution for stocking the ship with supplies:

@enf0rcer okay, fair enough. However, one could argue that the time one waits at an outpost to resupply is actually being invested in by work, in my IOU system. So rather than waiting around on the dock, when I could be barrel harvesting, I can be out on the seas doing a quest - to earn that "instant resupply voucher".

Fair point and i can understand your reasoning but it simply does'nt address my concern as i'm addressing how one spends there time yo put in the "work" but how this will effect the flow of tye game and undermine other systems.

I guess I'm not sure I understand fully your concern about the "instant" part of resupplying. I would have a problem with it too if it were simply 'pay a merchant X gold, get instant resupply'. But this way the resupply is being earned through work/time spent and not dependent on a fixed gold price.

The reason i have an issue with instant resupplies has to do with resource mangement and how it's used to dictate the flow and pace of the game. @UltmateRagnarok and @testakleze already pointed out this undermind the barrel system and would completly change the flow of the game cause if ships could instantly restock agressive players will not care if they lose there ship as the consequence of losing resorces will no longer be punitive leading to more ship battles and constant harassment as sinking a ship means nothing.

I mean, why stand around on a dock when I could be out on the seas working for my resupply voucher, or simply harvesting the barrels myself?

You could still can do things on the outpost like sell loot and buy voyages and cosmetics. Also would give a bit more incentive to use the tavern as a social area wjich they should add more stuff to do there.

Of course there is a benefit to having the voucher - it means I decrease the risk of being attacked at an outpost because I'm in-and-out quickly and am not distracted while looking in barrels. But that's surely the benefit I've earned myself prior, in obtaining that voucher for a future voyage.

There will be times a voucher will not be worth the effort/work/time you put into your quest/loot/cargo, and therefore you'll opt for gold instead, or take your stash to another outpost maybe to see if you get a better offer in resupply.

If this kind of system to be implemented a voucher would have to be made quite rare. Or require a few to get a decent amount of supplies.

As a tester i have had the privilage to try out such systems and thus are well aware of the effects and cosequences such systems will have. This minor change will have a huge impact on the game and how players play. Balance is already a concern that needs to be ketp in mind.

I Actually think this game would benifit if more importance was placed on resources as it is one of the few items that gives the ships importance and value.

@starship42 ok then this was not well outlined. So if you could better refelect this in the post then great also how frequent would this be?

I can definitly see a value to this kind of system. This requires futher discussion can you make a post so we can discuss this there?

@testakleze Your post has been added to The Community Ideas Master List and has been pinned as a reference post for the next draft of Rogue Wave i thankyou for your contribution.

I have no issues with purchasing empty crates, only difference is that I'd make it part of merchant alliance voyages instead of a separate system.

I am hoping to see new quesst types for every faction, and one such thing I'd like so see is the abillity to especifically make supply deliveries. In order for that to happen the voyage vendors need to have a new drop down menu allowing to choose between different types of quests it has to offer, but always only 3 at a time per day.

In other words, you'd still have some random chanse to get a certain supply crate, but it would be part of a voyage that you could choose to partake in.