Rainbow Flag

RARE clarified their stance on this, and I am glad :)

@dutchdeadschot said in Rainbow Flag:

@vexed-anemone see my original post up above. What the rainbow means. God’s love and promise not to flood the earth. That’s the meaning behind the rainbow.

The rainbow has meant different things in different cultures and religion (Path between earth and heaven, Leprechauns, Divine anger and patiences, Malign spirits, a sign that rapture will not come this year).

But on a flag, painted in this specific way, it means Pride. Your point is moot.

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@longingfern4785 said in Rainbow Flag:

@knifelife sagte in Rainbow Flag:

@dutchdeadschot said in Rainbow Flag:

@vexed-anemone see my original post up above. What the rainbow means. God’s love and promise not to flood the earth. That’s the meaning behind the rainbow.

I always thought it was caused by a reflection of light in millions of water droplets.. lol now i know :P

No no. Nothing was ever about facts nor science.
Certain people know, why they raise a rainbow flag above their head.
They want to remind god about his promise.
Raising the rainbow flags basically means: "I am a sinner, please don't purge me away. You promised!"

Well considering its new meaning in modern day society lets hope the religions of the world dont get people mixed up and punish them accordingly... Or is being different not a sin and ticket to hell anymore.. i just cant keep up xD

If you show your sympathy to a minority by raising a flag IN GAME, then you will never end up in hell, because you are a good person with courage.

@paddymck said in Rainbow Flag:

@vexed-anemone the issue is that it represents sexuality. Something that was not needed in this type of game. As you obviously can see, it is divisive and will probably cause more harm than good. Will people get offended if they feel they are getting attacked strictly for flying the flag? Will people be offended if people flying the flag come sailing up shouting things in a Mr. Slave voice? So many ways this could go the wrong way. Are there hateful people out there? Unfortunately yes. But not all people that disagree with this are them. Some are just tired of things being constantly thrown in their faces for the purpose of another companies virtue signaling. If you caught any of E3, it was in perfect display. Why am I such a villain for not wanting sexuality thrown in to something where it was not needed

Let me get this straight. You are saying that people may get attacked for being open about important aspects of their identity so it is best if it is just not brought up or acknowledged? That is exactly the problem. This is why I am NOT quiet about my support and why I want to communicate I am an ally.

Let me give you an example of why this matters. Do you ever talk with people within your crew? I do. Randoms join all the time and we talk about all kinds of things. Let's say we start talking a little about our lives and families. But there is a vacuum created in the conversation if they identify as gay, lesbian, trans, pan, and so on. They have to ask themselves if they feel safe to use certain pronouns when describing themselves or their partner(s). Will they be verbally attacked if they share too much? Will they have to end a conversation that was going well. Is it worth the risk? Give it a try sometime. Describe the important people in your life without somehow identifying their gender. If I can ease their mind and give them respite from the fear of backlash by flying a flag or communicating acceptance while on my boat then you bet I will do so.

People need to stop associating the pride flag with advertising sexuality. Queerness and Pride encompasses so much more than sexuality, and so does this flag.

@braxkedren
Better be careful mate. They are banning everyone who doesnt agree with the flag being in the game. You speak out, you get banned or your thread shut down. Doesnt even matter if you broke any rules or not. Its pathetic censorship. Feels like a dictatorship around here now. Guess we are all not welcome after all

@drunkpunk138 said in Rainbow Flag:

@ghostpaw said in Rainbow Flag:

Let me get this straight.

interesting choice of words :P

LOL! I know. I saw that and thought about editing it so say, "Let me understand this." I realized I was just tiptoeing over terms and it was unnecessary. Good catch!

@drunkpunk138
So what about me and @BraxKedren? You know us on the forum. We are not hateful. We just didnt want the door open to real world flags. But now that it is we wanna see other types of flags for other beliefs. Its only fair right? I mean yesterday alone we were called more names than u can imagine just for not wanting non pirate themes in the game.

I repeat, while there is something political about RARE including the flag in the game, Pride, Gender, and sexuality is not a political or religious group, stop acting like it is and stop drawing analogies to whatever it is you affiliate yourself with, its not the same.

@ghostpaw sagte in Rainbow Flag:

Let me get this straight. You are saying that people may get attacked for being open about important aspects of their identity so it is best if it is just not brought up or acknowledged? That is exactly the problem. This is why I am NOT quiet about my support and why I want communicate I am an ally.

Do you realise SoT is a game? There are no reasons to show "important aspects of your identity" in this game.

I reached status of Pirate Legend without sharing information on my favorite music to anybody. Why do you think, you need to share offtopic information with other players unquestioned?

@paddymck sagte in Rainbow Flag:

@ghostpaw don't know if you've noticed, but people have already claimed that they will attack on sight. That's kind of pathetic if that would be your sole purpose of attacking someone. Me, I'm going to attack anyone regardless of what flag they fly. I'm a pirate, its what I do. However, now people are going to be complaining about how hateful the community is because they will feel they are being targeted. I've got no issue befriending someone gay. Got a handful of friends in my life who are. We're friends because we find each other interesting and they don't find the need to discuss their sexuality with me nonstop. Heck, many people in my life have questioned if I was. I guess enjoying musicals and art garners that but that's beside the point. My point is, that this was not needed. The only identity you need in this game is that of a pirate. Leave sexuality out. Can't turn back now though. Just hope this doesn't cause more harm than good in a game which I enjoy so much

Thanks! Nicely said!
I am not able to communicate so nice. I am a troll. But I sign your text anytime!

@braxkedren Not all creed require a voice in the game, because many of them already have that privilege by default. Privilege being the key-word here.

@dutchdeadschot absolutely send me a friend request gamertag is @Captain GreyJoy

@longingfern4785 said in Rainbow Flag:

Do you realise SoT is a game? There are no reasons to show "important aspects of your identity" in this game.
I reached status of Pirate Legend without sharing information on my favorite music to anybody. Why do you think, you need to share offtopic information with other players unquestioned?

Pretty sure I am aware it is a game. A social one too. One in which people interact in a variety of ways. Very often things like, "Sorry, my wife was saying something" or "Is it okay if my girlfriend joins" will come up. These are aspects of their sexual identity coming out in a very typical, benign way. Rarely does a game session longer than an hour stay strictly on what is occurring in game. Someone within the LGBTQ community is often guarded in these very common situations because it often leads to a whole host of issues. I'm not communicating anything to a person who is bothered by the flag, but I am communicating someone does not have to hide sexual identity around me.

@drunkpunk138
I wasnt tryin to put a label on the flag. My personal beliefs about the flag have no place in these forums. I just wanted to point out how we were attacked for saying we didnt want real world stuff in the game. I just hope all u guys show support for other flags too, now that the door is open for non pirate stuff

@paddymck said in Rainbow Flag:

@ghostpaw don't know if you've noticed, but people have already claimed that they will attack on sight. That's kind of pathetic if that would be your sole purpose of attacking someone. Me, I'm going to attack anyone regardless of what flag they fly. I'm a pirate, its what I do.

We are together on this.

@paddymck said in Rainbow Flag:

However, now people are going to be complaining about how hateful the community is because they will feel they are being targeted.

I will admit I may have missed some posts over the last few hours, but so far I've only seen outcry from people protesting the addition of the flag. Not saying others have not felt attacked, but I'd be surprised if the mods didn't quickly intervene if they were.

@paddymck said in Rainbow Flag:

I've got no issue befriending someone gay. Got a handful of friends in my life who are.

(facepalm)

@paddymck said in Rainbow Flag:

We're friends because we find each other interesting and they don't find the need to discuss their sexuality with me nonstop.

I cannot figure out where this is going. Does the flag equate to nonstop talking about sexuality? I missed that. Apparently they did share their sexuality with you at some point so it did come up. I'm glad to hear they felt safe around you to do so. In the wrong company that kind of thing can result in verbal abuse, violence, and even death.

@paddymck said in Rainbow Flag:

Heck, many people in my life have questioned if I was. I guess enjoying musicals and art garners that but that's beside the point.

Really? Seriously?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/58339/2903280-haytham_kenway_facepalm_connor_ac3.jpg

@paddymck said in Rainbow Flag:

My point is, that this was not needed.

I think you have inadvertently communicated it was.

@paddymck said in Rainbow Flag:

The only identity you need in this game is that of a pirate. Leave sexuality out.

It comes out in normal conversation. People who have not had their sexual identity challenged just do not typically notice it.

@paddymck said in Rainbow Flag:

Can't turn back now though. Just hope this doesn't cause more harm than good in a game which I enjoy so much

Again, I agree with you. I hope this results in a net positive.

@ghostpaw sagte in Rainbow Flag:

@longingfern4785 said in Rainbow Flag:
I'm not communicating anything to a person who is bothered by the flag, but I am communicating someone does not have to hide sexual identity around me.

I get your point, but how does the flag help? You have to be IN GAME to raise the flag.
Almost all crews are formed either outside the game (discord etc) or by random match making. In both cases, nobody knows, what flag you will raise.

@longingfern4785 said in Rainbow Flag:

@ghostpaw sagte in Rainbow Flag:

@longingfern4785 said in Rainbow Flag:
I'm not communicating anything to a person who is bothered by the flag, but I am communicating someone does not have to hide sexual identity around me.

I get your point, but how does the flag help? You have to be IN GAME to raise the flag.
Almost all crews are formed either outside the game (discord etc) or by random match making. In both cases, nobody knows, what flag you will raise.

No. People can join us randomly, friends can invite their friends, and so on. Crew members come from a variety of places. Once they are on the boat they will know.