I have an idea for the Obsidian Set, and a way to keep the OG's value.

  • Perhaps re-release the Midnight Blunderbuss, Ebon Flintlock, and Black Dog Instruments, Cutlass, and Outfit, but under the Obsidian name, and make them match the obsidian set completely, and change them up a bit to make them distinct.

    Give the Black Dog some green gems instead of the cyan gems.
    Make the Ebon Flintlock have those green gems and green and silver accents
    Same with the Midnight Blunderbuss.

    I think it kinda sucks that if I didn't preorder or watch a stream, I cannot finish the obsidian set w/o paying hundreds for a gun code. It doesn't make sense that I can get 90% of it, but not finish it. A lot of the Obsidian items are given out through streams and such, but the Ebon Flintlock was given out twice, and the Midnight Blunderbuss was given out once. The Black Dog was a preorder exclusive, and at the time, I hadn't known that it was even a thing, and neither had I known that I COULD preorder the game. I just bought it the hour it came out, and now I can't finish the Obsidian Set as the Obsidian set uses a lot of the stuff mentioned above. That's why I think they should re-release this stuff, just obsidian-ier. Similar to the Fearless Bone Crusher.

    I don't want to rip off the people who actually did earn the original versions, so I figured we could reskin those things black and green and silver, so the obsidian set can be finished from here on out.

    I've got the original event stuff, and i'd be furious if they rereleased that, but i'm fine with them doing the reskins.

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  • @klutchxking518 I'd rather not have them bring it back, they kinda did with the Mercenaries set, same stuff just green and gold. I dont want every pirate on the seas rocking my coat

  • @tenseiga23 as I said, it would be much different. I want to be able to complete the set. You keep your stuff, and your stuff stays valuable. You would be able to tell the difference.

    And the mercenary stuff is it's own set. yeah, it's a recolor, but its much too different. I was looking for something to match.

    The black dog consists of Black, Gray, and Cyan gems.
    The obsidian would be Black, Green, with bright Green gems.

  • @tenseiga23 The mercenary set was an old set too, linked to buying a special 3 months game pass deal, but they released it to everyone with events

  • @klutchxking518 I have the black dog set, and it's green gems, not cyan. Every piece of the black dog/ebony/obsidian set has the green

  • @bactatankbill @KlutchxKing518

    The gems are green, but cyan with the right light and angle.

  • @ultmateragnarok really? Im going to check that when I get home... that's pretty cool

  • @klutchxking518

    I don't see why they just don't re-release everything after a certain amount of time.

    Like after 6 months anything that was exclusive is now open to the public with some kind of commendation lock or ancient coin lock behind it.

    Honestly I feel this way because it doesn't change how you play the game or how anyone else plays the game. What I hate is when someone has something exclusive and then after a month never puts it on or wears it then complains about other players getting that cosmetic when its released.

    The players who got the Black Sea Dog clothes when they pre-ordered the game. How does pre-ordering the game make you any more special when it doesn't cost anything extra. Even if it did, just put it behind a pay wall and let players decide.

    If players stopped getting hyped up on "well thats not fair, I GOT THIS AND NOW I DON'T FEEL SPECIAL" then Rare could release old skins, or old skins with different color skins, or whatever skins with whatever.

    This is a cosmetics game but it almost feels as if Rare is tiptoeing around the player base because a select few throw a temper tantrum when anything remotely looks like something they have or like something they have.

    Cosmetic freedom Rare. Just start pumping out cosmetics and bring out the old stuff as well and let players have a go at the exclusive stuff they missed out on.

    I have the yearly pirate legend anniversary cosmetics but I feel bad for other players who will never get it because the cosmetics unlocked from the Athena Commendations only go with that ship color scheme. So good luck getting a matching set.

  • @bactatankbill I was thinking more of the bright green gems similar to the obsidian cannon. I've looked at the black dog plenty and I can tell the difference between the gems. im sure they could find a way

  • @xultanis-dragon I bought the game the day it came out, because

    A) I found out about the game the day before release

    B) I didn't know I COULD preorder

    C) I didn't know there was a preorder bonus

    So yeah, I know Its a preorder bonus and such, but it feels unfair, especially if I were to buy the game 24 hours earlier I would have it.

  • @klutchxking518 i don't have the pre-order bonus but honestly that shouldn't be released to the public people literally paid extra cash to get it and supported the development before it was released they literally threw extra cash at a game they never played before but i have played games that re-released the pre order bonus for a small fee of like 10 bucks when i spent 30 bucks extra when pre-ordered this is not fair for the people who pre-ordered its suppose to be a sign of "hey i supported the game during its development i made this possible" revoking that would basically have made pre-ordering pointless event cosmetics sure but not something people paid extra buckaros for you might find it unfair because you were unaware but people who pre-ordered would find it unfair if you'd get access to it

  • @klutchxking518 I feel ya on wanting a matching set, cause yeah it's silly to only have some pieces and no way to obtain the others. The set will probably come as a stream like the pistol and the equipment did. I was down with the new bone crusher and wailing barnicle cause the colors were very different but if it's too close to the original it loses charm.

  • @jollyolsteamed said in I have an idea for the Obsidian Set, and a way to keep the OG's value.:

    @klutchxking518 i don't have the pre-order bonus but honestly that shouldn't be released to the public people literally paid extra cash to get it and supported the development before it was released they literally threw extra cash at a game they never played before but i have played games that re-released the pre order bonus for a small fee of like 10 bucks when i spent 30 bucks extra when pre-ordered this is not fair for the people who pre-ordered its suppose to be a sign of "hey i supported the game during its development i made this possible" revoking that would basically have made pre-ordering pointless event cosmetics sure but not something people paid extra buckaros for

    Pre-orders are never extra cash. Usually just cash that says "hey your game is $50, but I'll give you $10 now as a down deposit." The amount total doesn't change.

    Now there are some other bonus for games that usually cost extra but that is because they come with extra things that are no cosmetics.

    Like games that come with Model Figurines or Guides, or Art Book drawings. Others come with a key to unlock all future DLC updates for a small fee.

    Rarely does a pre-order cosmetic bonus ever cost "extra money". If money was the issue then you wouldn't mind players paying the difference to get it right? The problem isn't that players didn't support the game, there are some that didn't know about the games release date, or even that the game was coming out.

    There is no reason NOT to re-release cosmetics because again, not everyone wears their cosmetics constantly. After a while the players who have it either don't wear them anymore or use them anymore, or have left the game entirely. Hurts no one if they re-release.

  • @xultanis-dragon it usually does cost more when you pre-order and because people don't wear em is that really even a reason to release them? honestly im willing to bet my left toe there was an extra charge for pre-ordering hell even my right eye ball but what really irks me the most is the fact you find it annoying that people own said cosmetics and dont use them and base this as a reason for them to release them until you can find any sort of evidence the pre-order was the exact same amount that it was on release i doubt anything you say will really change my mind we are unfortunantely not coming to terms on this one and as i said event cosmetics sure re-release them pre-order if it had an extra charge which im pretty sure it did hell no makes very little sense

  • @jollyolsteamed

    I'm pretty sure pre-order prices are always the same. Only if something physical comes with the game or if it comes with a key for future DLC.

    I've pre-ordered games for a VERY long time. But just to give the benefit of the doubt I will look it up.

  • @jollyolsteamed I never said they should release the original. I completely understand the betrayal they would feel. However, it doesn't make sense that only THEY can complete a set that is technically available to anyone. Which is why I suggested a reskin so the set can be finished

  • @xultanis-dragon like i said if you find anything on the prices we can possibly come to terms

  • @klutchxking518 i get that and i was just stating its rather unfair for people who bought the game before its release should have to come to terms with the fact they could have waited

  • @klutchxking518 said in I have an idea for the Obsidian Set, and a way to keep the OG's value.:

    @jollyolsteamed I never said they should release the original. I completely understand the betrayal they would feel. However, it doesn't make sense that only THEY can complete a set that is technically available to anyone. Which is why I suggested a reskin so the set can be finished

    I'm saying that they should release the original because I do not understand that any betrayel was had.

    @JollyOlsteamed

    https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/25370/how-much-will-sea-of-thieves-cost

    Here is one of the first posts about the price of the game. The price for pre-order is the exact same price of the game.

    Its always has been.

    Pre-order is never higher price than the game. Pre-order is there so that companies can get an idea of who is buying the game. Usually if someone is pre-ordering the game that than means the game is practically sold. So the price is never higher. Unless again, if it comes with something physical, or a key for future DLC.

    Just the game with exclusive cosmetics is never an increase in price.

  • @xultanis-dragon guess we pre order different games as mine comes with items and mounts etc and which usually raises the prices betrayal would be less severe but still a betrayal as the people who pre ordered basically bought the game before it was released they still supported a game before they even knew if it was going to be released sure they could set a release date but you never know if they pull the plug reason i say this is there was a survival game which had great promise but got cancelled and people never got their refunds they still bought a product they couldn't use until release whats the difference you ask well if you buy it when its released you know your getting what you bought aswell as what point to pre ordering if you could get the items later when the game prices drops this is what makes it unfair people who pre-ordered back then paid 60 bucks hell i can buy the game for like 20 unless the sale ended (still running on game pass)

  • @xultanis-dragon Honestly I think that them re-releasing old cosmetics is fine as long as it was not something actually limited to the event. Such as the like shores of plenty sails from cursed sails and the like, since those are like time events. Forsaken Shores set is also a special one as it was from that campaign, same with stuff like that. I think that there should be some things that are limited as a way to "reward" the older players but overall a few of them I dislike being limited. I personally am coming from the standpoint of not re-releasing old cosmetics but I can see where compromises are reasonable.

    Since I didn't realize how limited things worked I didn't buy the mercenary ship set back then but I have every other mercenary cosmetic. I personally use the Ghost set as it matches semi-nicely but I think that when they drip-feed cosmetic sets they should not have them be limited. I don't really like how they made it so that for things such as the mercenary set and wailing barnacle set the original stuff was from a while ago and now if you are from the new generation you will only get some of it and will thus not have a complete set. This is especially since these are general things, not just a campaign specific event. They could maybe make it so that certain sets were re-released to the public but those who already owned them (before the festival of giving donation thingy) would get their own exclusive set that would be a better version of what they already had. Your point about the year 1 PL set being the only one truly matching the Pirate Legend cosmetic theme is a good one and I think to solve it they could re-release it to people who gained Pirate-Legend in Year 2, Year 3, et cetera. This way it is still kind of special but is not exactly some really rare thing a few years down the road from now.

    So from what I have heard the like Black Dog set or whatever was from pre-ordering. I personally really like this set and wish I could of gotten it but oh well, mercenary will do for now. If it really was just from pre-ordering, which isn't really anything that special, I could understand them doing something as an event again. My main problem is when they don't release entire sets at once that are limited. This is because it makes it so that a player could be unable to have a full cosmetic set simply because they joined at the wrong time. No cosmetic set at all is fine for me because I personally prefer for things to be in sets or at least look very nice together. They need to add in more cosmetics for everyone, maybe 2-3 new normal sets an update. (not including emporium) This way "limited cosmetics" would actually be able to be justified.

  • @jollyolsteamed I preordered SoT. I paid no extra cost. The black dog set was a gift for supporting the game before it even launched. I paid $10 USD to preorder, then the remaining $49.99 USD at launch.

  • @jollyolsteamed said in I have an idea for the Obsidian Set, and a way to keep the OG's value.:

    @xultanis-dragon guess we pre order different games as mine comes with items and mounts etc and which usually raises the prices betrayal would be less severe but still a betrayal as the people who pre ordered basically bought the game before it was released they still supported a game before they even knew if it was going to be released sure they could set a release date but you never know if they pull the plug reason i say this is there was a survival game which had great promise but got cancelled and people never got their refunds they still bought a product they couldn't use until release whats the difference you ask well if you buy it when its released you know your getting what you bought aswell as what point to pre ordering if you could get the items later when the game prices drops this is what makes it unfair people who pre-ordered back then paid 60 bucks hell i can buy the game for like 20 unless the sale ended (still running on game pass)

    If you bought anything pre-order and it didn't get released then you are suppose to get a refund. Pre-orders are usually $5 to $10. Everyone supports games. Some players just don't have the money or don't think they will have the time, or maybe someone bought it as a gift. There are tons of reasons for a person to not get a game pre-ordered.

    I wanted to get Kingdom Hearts 3 for pre-order but I couldn't because of stuff going on and I knew I would never get a chance to play it as I just relinquished ownership of my PS3 due to life problems. Doesn't mean I don't love the franchise or the games, or didn't want to support the developers. However you deem it fair under those circumstances that I should never have whatever cosmetic they released because I fell on hard times? That seems fair? There are lots of other players out there with tons of different reasons.

    Locking in-game cosmetics behind exclusivity is honestly a bad business practice. I've never seen a community crash from a game re-release an exclusive cosmetic.

    I don't agree with players who feel betrayed because eventually they stop wearing the cosmetic or using it, and eventually they stop playing the game. After a while the player doesn't even bother thinking about it until someone asks "hey any way you guys can release this out for everyone?" then the pitch forks fly on something you guys don't even bother using anymore.

    I'm not trying to be combative with this but I look at it as I would children fighting over a toy. I know that sounds bad but I do because its the same exact thing. I know i've said this before too.

    A child has a toy he never touches or plays with. Buried somewhere deep in a chest and if asked if he wants to play with it, he says no hes bored with it. The second he sees another kid playing with his toy, NOW he gets mad and says he wants to play with it.

    This is how I see players with exclusive ingame cosmetics because thats how it all eventually goes. They love it, use it, then get bored with it, never mention it or think about it UNTIL they see someone else want it.

  • @xultanis-dragon the last part made sense but one thing struck me as unreasonable i mean people's life problems or inability to look up "when is the release date when can i pre order" isn't rare's fault while life issues usually isn't the players faults either but it isn't a valid reason to say that its unfair just because you had stuff going on and others didn't really doesn't seem right i mean a game called for honor had an event which entitled you with cool effects and weaponry i was busy moving to a new apartment and celebrating christmas by the time i got back i missed out on the event but i can't just ask for them to hand it out to me when people spent money and or time and alot of effort and grinding as much as i agree i don't like exclusive locked items either because i want them just as much as the next person aswell just as much as i hate microtransactions but still buy them because humans are in fact a greedy race i just don't find it fair as in what pre ordering means

  • @xultanis-dragon You know, I'd be inclined to agree with you completely in most cases. The problem with this specific instance is that rewards and progression are cosmetic and cosmetic only. If there was any other type of 'carrot' at all, I don't think these time-sensitive cosmetics would be such a heated debate. As it stands though, I will defend the need for time exclusive cosmetics to remain time exclusive

  • @bactatankbill, @Xultanis-Dragon, @JollyOlsteamed Let's stop arguing and get back to the topic at hand please? The OP is just asking for reskins, and it's getting dragged further and further away from that.

  • @klutchxking518 well we aren't arguing we're having a discussion about our different opinions the op went onto commenting on pre order cosmetics and we responded with our thoughts on it im not arguing with xultan i find his/her discussions quite enjoyable and mostly filled with sense aka we're having a friendly discussion :)

  • @jollyolsteamed keep on topic. We dragged off onto game prices. lets keep it simple here! continue!

  • @klutchxking518 we made one comment on it now we was discussing why pre order cosmetics should or shouldn't be re-added

  • @jollyolsteamed Let's not start fighting. Proceed.

  • @klutchxking518 im not really fighting but sure

  • @jollyolsteamed Never said you were fighting, I said let's not start. Get back to your discussion. I was just trying to keep things on track. People were rambling on a bit. Nobody in specific. Regardless, onward!

  • @klutchxking518 I just checked it in game, and found something very interesting. You are correct, the gems on the black dog clothing don't match the rest of the set. They are green, but they have a metallic finish that the equipment doesn't have. This is most noticeable when showing someone what time it is.
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  • @bactatankbill The obsidian stuff could be darker, they could replace the gray stitching and such with the dark green, and change those gems to match the obsidian stuff. Boom. Obsidian reskin of the Black Dog. Repeat on the Ebon and Midnight and you've got a completed Obsidian Set.

  • Everything you got with the pre-order will never get re-released in it's current form.

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