Rare's stream madness

@drbullhammer Seriously as to what I saw on their stream? Yes. Definitely. It was near impossible to watch.

They stand there telling each other that the enemy was climbing up on the boat but instead of guarding the ladders they instead ran around spinning in circles watching the enemy just climb right now.

Next was when Neate was swimming upto his boat and you can CLEARLY SEE the enemy climb the crows nest where they have 5 GPB's just waiting to be dropped onto them. He has clear view of this guy climbing but DID NOTHING. Then when they got blown up he acted like it was a surprise someone was on their boat.

They were all bad. GullibleGambit was the only SEMI decent player and that is being generous.

Its easier to get people to watch a stream if you guys aren't frustrating the whole player base by your lack of skill. Just giving them advice. They play badly and its almost sad that they don't even know where Mermaids Hideaway is after the game has been out this long. Hell they made they map they should know where it is.

Makes me feel like they dont take the game seriously and that all their changes or future changes are not made with any type of actually gameplay knowledge. Only feedback from cry babies.

@shikia-caeleaum Small ones I understand, but Mermaids Hideaway is a main island. Anyone with some significant sailing time should at least know where the main large islands are. Like maybe 15 to 20 islands? Small ones you forget because you don't go to those a lot when you get higher level but still.

@shikia-caeleaum Dude.....i can never find shark tooth. Its like my unicorn. Everytime I see that map on my wheel I just sigh and give up.

@XRayLexx Yes really.

@theunionjames I like how you use an analogy of a Pro vs a regular person. If you want it to be in the same context, it would be as if Reggie lost to a level 1 computer. There you go.

@DrBullhammer I was wondering why someone was going to use the whole "if you don't like" phrasing. Later than I expected but oh well. Never insulted them. Never called them names. I made an observation to how they played and it was very bad. Saying that he should take 2 weeks to actually PLAY the game is advice. He needs to play his game.

@XRayLexx Never said they had to be leet. However that level of gameplay is very poor. Just very bad. It says something when the people who decide what to balance don't even know how to play their own game to an even basic standard. Judging from feedback I've gotten from other individuals I've talked to about this they also agree with the lack of skill. There is just BASIC level.

@Sir-Lotus I am not missing the point. I know they are taking their time to talk with the community and just have a good time. However, I would like to know that the people who decide the future of the game have even a basic level of understanding of game mechanics and tactics. They take feedback from the community and make changes to the game, and it makes one wonder if they even know how to consider that feedback accurately if they can't even do certain things.

@sshteeve Not in jest and I like how any form of criticism or "feedback" is considered an insult if its negative. Also Joe isn't the one reading the comments. They have someone dedicated to reading the comments and giving Joe the feed back if you actually watched it. The guy climbing the crows nest wasn't hard to miss. He was in full view and Joe was looking straight at the screen.

@DrBullhammer Yes it did make me want to pull my hair out and yes they do need to learn how to play their game. These are the events that happened. I watched the stream and it made me want to pull my hair out. They obviously don't really play their own game due to which they might not have a lot of time so they should learn how to play it. I even suggested he take 2 weeks off to no life the game. Get a rando account and play with some folks and learn.

@drbullhammer I like how its as if I'm asking them to be the best at the game. Basic simple knowledge of the game. When you say "someones climbing up to our boat" don't just turn around run away and then do nothing while watching the guy get on your boat and start killing your crew.

@drbullhammer My frist time watching it. It is constructive criticism. They need to learn how to play a little better. They don't have to be gods at the game, just basic level stuff, how is that so hard? Whats awesome is I've given feedback of my experience of their stream. However instead of actually trying to explain points on how I'm mistaken, your debating style is non existent. Instead you use the "if you don't like it" argument constantly.

So I watched the stream for the first time, gave feed back, according to you that feedback is a no no and that I should just do something else. So in regards to mister Pioneer, founder, insider, boatswain. From now on I will consider it okay that whenever someone complains about anything about this game that the correct response should be "If you don't like it, then do something else."

Thank you for you multitude of wisdom on how to debate.

@j4dio Wow.....thank you. No sarcasm I actually mean it. Why any of the other people who watched the streams couldn't have said something like that instead of just telling me off I don't understand. If that is true then I retract my statements.

To the other guys. Learn from J4dio.

@j4dio Thanks for the heads up man. I'm going to do just that when I get back from the grocery. Get some food and actually watch multiple ones.

The dev's sent my friend a message saying the whole point of the streams are not for questions and answers but for showing game play. They said they choose to answer only of they want too.

@drbullhammer The problem with the "if you don't like it" argument is that its shallow and just a blanket statement. It servers no purpose other than for a person to get a word in.

Examples - Someone ordered a food from a restaurant, a type of seafood. We'll say fish. Now the person orders the fish breaded. The person tries it hates it, says they didn't like it. Now thinks the restaurant sucks at making. This is where you come in. We'll if you didn't like it then don't eat it. See the statement is pointless. You could have suggested, well that type of fish is better served grilled or blackened, (who knows).

Your argument base is completely empty of any suggestive debate. The goal of the stream might be as you say, however when the developers play a game openly in front of people regardless of intentions, they are show casing their understanding of the game. They are the ones who decide the balance and future of the game. In most instances the people who help balance competitive aspects of the game are just that the people who play it competitively or even the pros. Gaming companies take HUGE feedback from the pros playing their games because they understand that the pro's have an understanding of their game that they don't have.

So my current understanding is that they take feedback from themselves and from the community on what changes to make to the game. Its a valid worry if they showcase their lack of understanding for the own game. How can they come up with making changes if it looks like they never play it?

However mister J4dio has suggested that I watch the streams and that they do in fact know what they are doing. Which has alleviated some of my worries. Again thank you kind sir.

So maybe instead of using a blanket statement, say something of value to the argument itself, so that we can reach a common ground.

@obligedsnail750 said in Rare's stream madness:

The dev's sent my friend a message saying the whole point of the streams are not for questions and answers but for showing game play. They said they choose to answer only of they want too.

If this is true the the stance of multiple people in this thread are on shaky ground.

@sshteeve said in Rare's stream madness:

@xultanis-dragon true, there is hostility (I would say not on my behalf), but perhaps look inwards a little and re-read your own statement: Opening a thread as you have in such a negative manner is only going to breed negative responses.

That is true. I did in fact have a lot of negative responses to say and that was because I had a negative time watching it. The remarks I used might have been negative but at no point was I being strict. Never did I once say that they had to play the game better than the best player ever EVAR. No. I always said that my worries were that they didnt have a basic level of understanding of the game. I voiced my concerns and suggested that they really need to take time to play the game. If they can't then have Joe Neate focus on replying to questions while they have a team who actually plays the game showcase it.

I'm under the impression that Joe Neate and the team he has are the ones who make the decisions for the game. If I am wrong please let me know. But instead of working on my argument you guys worked on how I delivered it. See the issue?

@sir-lotus sigh which is sad because you guys are actually using the words "if you don't like it" but never have I even said "Git gud you make me sick"

@sir-lotus said in Rare's stream madness:

Is the CEO of for example BMW, a race car driver? Would a movie producer be a great actor?

Thats the direction you want to take it is it? Okay. I love it when people try to use any similarity they can think of for an argument but ignore the context. You have to be careful with that kind of thing because naming just one instance ruins your whole argument. TOM HANKS. There you go. He producer is an actor. There a lot of producers who are actors by the way. You stepped on a land mind with that one.

Back to your game. Lets get the context right. I'm asking if the Dev's have basic knowledge on how to play their game. That would be the same as asking if the CEO of BMW knows how to drive a car. He doesn't have to race cars, just drive them and does he? Yes, yes he does. Lets take this further. Bill Gates is the man at microsoft, does he play Xbox games professionally since XboX is a microsoft product? No I'm probably sure he doesn't. Does he know how program and use a computer? Yes, yes he does.

SOOOOOO.