Anti-Cheat

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser The current Machine Learning server-sided anti-cheat has failed us. Windows OS has already intrusively touched your private data.

Both systems should be in place; not one or the other. Yes, there will be those that find ways around, but why not smoke out the casual cheaters.

Hasn't exactly been under development that long. These things take time. Think about when anti-cheat first started out. Was it as effective as you want out of the gate? No it was lousy and easily reverse engineered and defeated. The beginning of the back and forth.

Also, Windows has zero access to send out any data automatically and you would have to add third party programs/provide kernal level access or open ports for said data to flow out from your system. It is literally just a file system and GUI. MS, Rare, SoT has no access to anything on my hard disk so not sure what you are talking about.

With keylogging, screenshot/video clipping of ALL displays, hard disk snapshotting, live memory monitoring, companies like BattlEye have access to anything and everything you do while the game is running (passwords entered, account numbers and identifiers entered, personal searching/browsing, etc.) and access to anything you do when the game doesn't run that gets stored on any non-removable hard disk on your system. They even have access to essentially remotely take over and use your PC while the game is running with kernal level access and you will never be alerted or prompted to this happening. What's worse is people openly agree to this with the EULA and miss the part where they have zero legal recourse should they have identity theft or other issues arise from the third party company mishandling your data.

At this point you think Rare should just keep looking the other way?

Nope and they don't. People report other players for a range of issues and players do in fact get banned. I am also sure said player's data gets fed to the anti-cheat so it can learn further about suspicious behaviors. As others point out it isn't a big deal to send video when you report as the Xbox/gamebar apps have this function built in. You yourself record a bit according to a quick internet search. You also tend to claim cheats quite often so I am not so sure you understand there are plenty of players better than yourself on the seas on top of the horrible state of the servers and hit reg (which I have seen you call out in one of your videos as suspicious potential cheating incorrectly)

@kommodoreyenser said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser The current Machine Learning server-sided anti-cheat has failed us. Windows OS has already intrusively touched your private data.

Both systems should be in place; not one or the other. Yes, there will be those that find ways around, but why not smoke out the casual cheaters.

Hasn't exactly been under development that long. These things take time. Think about when anti-cheat first started out. Was it as effective as you want out of the gate? No it was lousy and easily reverse engineered and defeated. The beginning of the back and forth.

I thought you said it couldn't be reverse engineered? Hrmmmm.

Also, Windows has zero access to send out any data automatically and you would have to add third party programs/provide kernal level access or open ports for said data to flow out from your system. It is literally just a file system and GUI. MS, Rare, SoT has no access to anything on my hard disk so not sure what you are talking about.

I could link you to several articles & videos that say otherwise. Just send me a DM.

With keylogging, screenshot/video clipping of ALL displays, hard disk snapshotting, live memory monitoring, companies like BattlEye have access to anything and everything you do while the game is running (passwords entered, account numbers and identifiers entered, personal searching/browsing, etc.) and access to anything you do when the game doesn't run that gets stored on any non-removable hard disk on your system. They even have access to essentially remotely take over and use your PC while the game is running with kernal level access and you will never be alerted or prompted to this happening. What's worse is people openly agree to this with the EULA and miss the part where they have zero legal recourse should they have identity theft or other issues arise from the third party company mishandling your data.

That's BattleEye. Never have been a fan. However, even if it will be that intrusive, so be it. There is a reason why those that have security concerns as deep as yours refrain from using Windows.

Video evidence proves nothing in this case & that's just an assumption based on the cheaters that still play daily.

At this point you think Rare should just keep looking the other way?

Nope and they don't. People report other players for a range of issues and players do in fact get banned. I am also sure said player's data gets fed to the anti-cheat so it can learn further about suspicious behaviors. As others point out it isn't a big deal to send video when you report as the Xbox/gamebar apps have this function built in. You yourself record a bit according to a quick internet search. You also tend to claim cheats quite often so I am not so sure you understand there are plenty of players better than yourself on the seas on top of the horrible state of the servers and hit reg (which I have seen you call out in one of your videos as suspicious potential cheating incorrectly)

I love that you are stalking me. I need more subs when I start making more content. However, people like you that advocate for cheating tend to be in denial. Just the way this works. If you decided to do a quick internet search to find the blatant cheats for this game, you just might understand. Instead you decided to do a quick internet search to make false allegations and attack me. Great job.

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser The current Machine Learning server-sided anti-cheat has failed us. Windows OS has already intrusively touched your private data.

Both systems should be in place; not one or the other. Yes, there will be those that find ways around, but why not smoke out the casual cheaters.

Hasn't exactly been under development that long. These things take time. Think about when anti-cheat first started out. Was it as effective as you want out of the gate? No it was lousy and easily reverse engineered and defeated. The beginning of the back and forth.

I thought you said it couldn't be reverse engineered? Hrmmmm.

Server-sided cannot, but this is something new (literally less than a year in the field working) The old-school way of using a client side kernal permissioned program definitely is as I stated.

Also, Windows has zero access to send out any data automatically and you would have to add third party programs/provide kernal level access or open ports for said data to flow out from your system. It is literally just a file system and GUI. MS, Rare, SoT has no access to anything on my hard disk so not sure what you are talking about.

I could link you to several articles & videos that say otherwise. Just send me a DM.

Just drop a link on the forum? Should be public info and totally in the bounds of forums rules to do so.

With keylogging, screenshot/video clipping of ALL displays, hard disk snapshotting, live memory monitoring, companies like BattlEye have access to anything and everything you do while the game is running (passwords entered, account numbers and identifiers entered, personal searching/browsing, etc.) and access to anything you do when the game doesn't run that gets stored on any non-removable hard disk on your system. They even have access to essentially remotely take over and use your PC while the game is running with kernal level access and you will never be alerted or prompted to this happening. What's worse is people openly agree to this with the EULA and miss the part where they have zero legal recourse should they have identity theft or other issues arise from the third party company mishandling your data.

That's BattleEye. Never have been a fan. However, even if it will be that intrusive, so be it. There is a reason why those that have security concerns as deep as yours refrain from using Windows.

Windows has vulnerabilities for sure, but those can and do get patched as they are discovered. Also it is easy to detect/prevent outside intrusion to your network if you are even remotely capable in the IT field.
Good luck playing this game on iOS, which btw also has vulnerabilities but is less popular to work on exploits for (and even less popular to have as a gaming platform.)

At this point you think Rare should just keep looking the other way?

Nope and they don't. People report other players for a range of issues and players do in fact get banned. I am also sure said player's data gets fed to the anti-cheat so it can learn further about suspicious behaviors. As others point out it isn't a big deal to send video when you report as the Xbox/gamebar apps have this function built in. You yourself record a bit according to a quick internet search. You also tend to claim cheats quite often so I am not so sure you understand there are plenty of players better than yourself on the seas on top of the horrible state of the servers and hit reg (which I have seen you call out in one of your videos as suspicious potential cheating incorrectly)

I love that you are stalking me. I need more subs when I start making more content. However, people like you that advocate for cheating tend to be in denial. Just the way this works. If you decided to do a quick internet search to find the blatant cheats for this game, you just might understand. Instead you decided to do a quick internet search to make false allegations and attack me. Great job.

Literally took 2 minutes of my day on a break to google your gamertag. Don't flatter yourself. Also you pushing your narrative that I am for cheating is hilariously without basis.
Just because cheats exist for ANY game doesn't mean they aren't getting people banned. No one advertises that their products have downsides, otherwise they would have no customers. You see restaurants advertise when they have a food poisoning outbreak? No, they try and sweep it under the rug and move on.

So im just gonna put my two cents down, take it or leave it its up to you. There are cheats that can occur in this game (aimbot and esp being the two most prevalent), but with over 43 days (1032 hrs) of play time according to xbox, i have seen one (one singular) person who i was convinced was using an esp hack. And i get into a LOT of pvp scenarios. The truth is, the game is hard to master but those who do seem impossibly good to those who dont, and accusations of hacking are much more rampant and without cause than actually hacking. I wouldnt be to worried about perceived hackers, play the game and record anything you think you absolutely have to and it will all work out just fine.

@kommodoreyenser said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser The current Machine Learning server-sided anti-cheat has failed us. Windows OS has already intrusively touched your private data.

Both systems should be in place; not one or the other. Yes, there will be those that find ways around, but why not smoke out the casual cheaters.

Hasn't exactly been under development that long. These things take time. Think about when anti-cheat first started out. Was it as effective as you want out of the gate? No it was lousy and easily reverse engineered and defeated. The beginning of the back and forth.

I thought you said it couldn't be reverse engineered? Hrmmmm.

Server-sided cannot, but this is something new (literally less than a year in the field working) The old-school way of using a client side kernal permissioned program definitely is as I stated.

Also, Windows has zero access to send out any data automatically and you would have to add third party programs/provide kernal level access or open ports for said data to flow out from your system. It is literally just a file system and GUI. MS, Rare, SoT has no access to anything on my hard disk so not sure what you are talking about.

I could link you to several articles & videos that say otherwise. Just send me a DM.

Just drop a link on the forum? Should be public info and totally in the bounds of forums rules to do so.

Not going to happen with the vague rules in place.

With keylogging, screenshot/video clipping of ALL displays, hard disk snapshotting, live memory monitoring, companies like BattlEye have access to anything and everything you do while the game is running (passwords entered, account numbers and identifiers entered, personal searching/browsing, etc.) and access to anything you do when the game doesn't run that gets stored on any non-removable hard disk on your system. They even have access to essentially remotely take over and use your PC while the game is running with kernal level access and you will never be alerted or prompted to this happening. What's worse is people openly agree to this with the EULA and miss the part where they have zero legal recourse should they have identity theft or other issues arise from the third party company mishandling your data.

That's BattleEye. Never have been a fan. However, even if it will be that intrusive, so be it. There is a reason why those that have security concerns as deep as yours refrain from using Windows.

Windows has vulnerabilities for sure, but those can and do get patched as they are discovered. Also it is easy to detect/prevent outside intrusion to your network if you are even remotely capable in the IT field.
Good luck playing this game on iOS, which btw also has vulnerabilities but is less popular to work on exploits for (and even less popular to have as a gaming platform.)

Windows is basically spyware. Network intrusion has nothing to do with Windows disseminating information. We aren't talking about gaming on trash iOS - lol! Worst assumption possible when it comes to gaming. For the most part, Linux works without issue with SoT.

At this point you think Rare should just keep looking the other way?

Nope and they don't. People report other players for a range of issues and players do in fact get banned. I am also sure said player's data gets fed to the anti-cheat so it can learn further about suspicious behaviors. As others point out it isn't a big deal to send video when you report as the Xbox/gamebar apps have this function built in. You yourself record a bit according to a quick internet search. You also tend to claim cheats quite often so I am not so sure you understand there are plenty of players better than yourself on the seas on top of the horrible state of the servers and hit reg (which I have seen you call out in one of your videos as suspicious potential cheating incorrectly)

I love that you are stalking me. I need more subs when I start making more content. However, people like you that advocate for cheating tend to be in denial. Just the way this works. If you decided to do a quick internet search to find the blatant cheats for this game, you just might understand. Instead you decided to do a quick internet search to make false allegations and attack me. Great job.

Literally took 2 minutes of my day on a break to google your gamertag. Don't flatter yourself. Also you pushing your narrative that I am for cheating is hilariously without basis.
Just because cheats exist for ANY game doesn't mean they aren't getting people banned. No one advertises that their products have downsides, otherwise they would have no customers. You see restaurants advertise when they have a food poisoning outbreak? No, they try and sweep it under the rug and move on.

You deny that cheating is an issue & you keep claiming that the current anti-cheat system is akin to the second coming of Jesus; when it's clearly not. I thought it was safe to assume that you were a cheating advocate.

You cannot prove that you got food poisoning from that restaurant by looking at the food. Just like video evidence will not help in catching cheaters. You need to take a sample of that food to the lab. Clearly, that is not happening here when the same cheaters are still playing on the same account. These players privately stream what they are doing & tell me what they are doing. They have no worries of getting caught nor does the current anti-cheat system catch them. Seems to me there hasn't been an attempt to target the more popular, and free, ESP or Aimbot considering the time it has been around.

@thatgy16 Same old, "you must be bad at the game argument." You would never know if someone was using ESP or aim-bot (for the most part). No video is going to help you. Just keeping it real, I never claimed anyone was cheating until they straight up told me & showed me that they were. Then it lead me to look these cheats up to see what they are about. They are more rampant than you think.

This game is getting a rise in cheaters, good player will hardly notice them but they are there,

Why so? If you were good at the game, doesn't that mean you got better understanding of what one is capable of doing and knows where the skill roof is at, compared to someone who's fairly new to the seas? On competitive FPS games, ones reaching the "top tier" player does not mystically lose the ability to tell a cheater from a legit player, so why would it be here any different.

there so far is invincibility, one shot, instant boat repair, teleport, and instant all treasure grab.

Only one of these which is actually a cheat is (or was) invincibility as shows in a 2-year old AbsolutePixel's video
Other accused cheats on the other hand, aren't possible in SoT.

This is bad and needs to be fixed,

Which cheats always are. The difference is that SoT isn't infested with them as CS:GO's free version might be. Plus there's only so much one can do to prevent cheating. If there was a fool way to prevent all cheating it would be used almost everywhere, especially in FPS games, but sadly there isn't

we cant get evidence as the cheater just kills us before we can

Lol?

and then SOT support wont listen and ban them, an Anti-Cheat is needed.

Firstly: SoT Support does nothing unless you got video evidence as otherwise it's just hearsay and thus isn't reliable. As an example: I've been called cheater and been accused of aimbotting multiple times, even though I suck at video games. If rare were to ban from blind accusations, I wouldn't even want to imagine how many people would get banned, and how much more work it would put on the supports' backs.

As for anti cheat, I would swore it being brought up in a earlier SoT podcast, but sadly I can't remember what they said about it, other than it not being wise to tell what you have in hand?
And if SoT didn't have a anti cheat and would mystically get one, it wouldn't make SoT a cheat free paradise.

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser The current Machine Learning server-sided anti-cheat has failed us. Windows OS has already intrusively touched your private data.

Both systems should be in place; not one or the other. Yes, there will be those that find ways around, but why not smoke out the casual cheaters.

Hasn't exactly been under development that long. These things take time. Think about when anti-cheat first started out. Was it as effective as you want out of the gate? No it was lousy and easily reverse engineered and defeated. The beginning of the back and forth.

I thought you said it couldn't be reverse engineered? Hrmmmm.

Server-sided cannot, but this is something new (literally less than a year in the field working) The old-school way of using a client side kernal permissioned program definitely is as I stated.

Also, Windows has zero access to send out any data automatically and you would have to add third party programs/provide kernal level access or open ports for said data to flow out from your system. It is literally just a file system and GUI. MS, Rare, SoT has no access to anything on my hard disk so not sure what you are talking about.

I could link you to several articles & videos that say otherwise. Just send me a DM.

Just drop a link on the forum? Should be public info and totally in the bounds of forums rules to do so.

Not going to happen with the vague rules in place.

Zero rules against posting links to articles outside of SoT. It happens regularly and is fine. Sounds like someone doesn't have evidence to reinforce his narrative.

With keylogging, screenshot/video clipping of ALL displays, hard disk snapshotting, live memory monitoring, companies like BattlEye have access to anything and everything you do while the game is running (passwords entered, account numbers and identifiers entered, personal searching/browsing, etc.) and access to anything you do when the game doesn't run that gets stored on any non-removable hard disk on your system. They even have access to essentially remotely take over and use your PC while the game is running with kernal level access and you will never be alerted or prompted to this happening. What's worse is people openly agree to this with the EULA and miss the part where they have zero legal recourse should they have identity theft or other issues arise from the third party company mishandling your data.

That's BattleEye. Never have been a fan. However, even if it will be that intrusive, so be it. There is a reason why those that have security concerns as deep as yours refrain from using Windows.

Windows has vulnerabilities for sure, but those can and do get patched as they are discovered. Also it is easy to detect/prevent outside intrusion to your network if you are even remotely capable in the IT field.
Good luck playing this game on iOS, which btw also has vulnerabilities but is less popular to work on exploits for (and even less popular to have as a gaming platform.)

Windows is basically spyware. Network intrusion has nothing to do with Windows disseminating information. We aren't talking about gaming on trash iOS - lol! Worst assumption possible when it comes to gaming. For the most part, Linux works without issue with SoT.

Lol, so Linux is safe you say? You are the first person in the world to claim so if that's the case.

At this point you think Rare should just keep looking the other way?

Nope and they don't. People report other players for a range of issues and players do in fact get banned. I am also sure said player's data gets fed to the anti-cheat so it can learn further about suspicious behaviors. As others point out it isn't a big deal to send video when you report as the Xbox/gamebar apps have this function built in. You yourself record a bit according to a quick internet search. You also tend to claim cheats quite often so I am not so sure you understand there are plenty of players better than yourself on the seas on top of the horrible state of the servers and hit reg (which I have seen you call out in one of your videos as suspicious potential cheating incorrectly)

I love that you are stalking me. I need more subs when I start making more content. However, people like you that advocate for cheating tend to be in denial. Just the way this works. If you decided to do a quick internet search to find the blatant cheats for this game, you just might understand. Instead you decided to do a quick internet search to make false allegations and attack me. Great job.

Literally took 2 minutes of my day on a break to google your gamertag. Don't flatter yourself. Also you pushing your narrative that I am for cheating is hilariously without basis.
Just because cheats exist for ANY game doesn't mean they aren't getting people banned. No one advertises that their products have downsides, otherwise they would have no customers. You see restaurants advertise when they have a food poisoning outbreak? No, they try and sweep it under the rug and move on.

You deny that cheating is an issue & you keep claiming that the current anti-cheat system is akin to the second coming of Jesus; when it's clearly not. I thought it was safe to assume that you were a cheating advocate.

You cannot prove that you got food poisoning from that restaurant by looking at the food. Just like video evidence will not help in catching cheaters. You need to take a sample of that food to the lab. Clearly, that is not happening here when the same cheaters are still playing on the same account. These players privately stream what they are doing & tell me what they are doing. They have no worries of getting caught nor does the current anti-cheat system catch them. Seems to me there hasn't been an attempt to target the more popular, and free, ESP or Aimbot considering the time it has been around.

Quote for truth? Please quote where I said cheating isn't an issue in this game. You also are saying the current anti-cheat is trash without knowing a single fact about how it operates, do you need an article link pasted?
At this point you are just continually hurling accusations at me while quoting previous posts where I made no such statements. THAT is against forum and community rules.

@enderdragon1242 said in Anti-Cheat:

@enderdragon1242 for all of you asking, nobody is going to have a recording thing open when they play a game unless they stream or make YT videos, also the cheater will try and stop you from recording them. Also like I said good players wont really see them cheating cause most of the cheaters are bad even with cheats. i also should have went into more depth, the instant boat repair- they were a duo brig and my brig crew of 3 boarded them and we all three blew gunpowder on them and jumped off, we heard them go off so we went to board to kill them and their ship had 0 holes and no water, and for invincibility- killed him once and he auto revived without a teammate and then we shot him 7 times with pistols and blunder to no avail. teleport- we were 4 islands behind them and out of cannon range, all of a sudden behind then wheel one of them is on and kills me, no splashing noise and my crew was watching the ladder from the side. instant treasure- i backspawned and grabbed the flag to keep it, i watched all the treasure dissapear and appear on their ship in an instant. And again recording is going to be hard cause cheater wont want to get recorded, and most people dont have a recording thing open everytime they play a game.

LOL, you do know there is a built in recorder that you can set to capture the last few minutes of gameplay (you can configure the length) so you do not have to have it recording as you go. Built into the Xbox and Windows 10 Game Bar. So you have no excuse to capture what may be cheating to provide proper proof of your accusations.

You just saying it exists carries no weight, especially given many of the ones you list are literally impossible in the game. You need to learn to differentiate between server issues and actual cheats, and not immediately go to that assumption.

@kommodoreyenser said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser The current Machine Learning server-sided anti-cheat has failed us. Windows OS has already intrusively touched your private data.

Both systems should be in place; not one or the other. Yes, there will be those that find ways around, but why not smoke out the casual cheaters.

Hasn't exactly been under development that long. These things take time. Think about when anti-cheat first started out. Was it as effective as you want out of the gate? No it was lousy and easily reverse engineered and defeated. The beginning of the back and forth.

I thought you said it couldn't be reverse engineered? Hrmmmm.

Server-sided cannot, but this is something new (literally less than a year in the field working) The old-school way of using a client side kernal permissioned program definitely is as I stated.

Also, Windows has zero access to send out any data automatically and you would have to add third party programs/provide kernal level access or open ports for said data to flow out from your system. It is literally just a file system and GUI. MS, Rare, SoT has no access to anything on my hard disk so not sure what you are talking about.

I could link you to several articles & videos that say otherwise. Just send me a DM.

Just drop a link on the forum? Should be public info and totally in the bounds of forums rules to do so.

Not going to happen with the vague rules in place.

Zero rules against posting links to articles outside of SoT. It happens regularly and is fine. Sounds like someone doesn't have evidence to reinforce his narrative.

Someones salty enough to engage in entrapment shenanigans.

With keylogging, screenshot/video clipping of ALL displays, hard disk snapshotting, live memory monitoring, companies like BattlEye have access to anything and everything you do while the game is running (passwords entered, account numbers and identifiers entered, personal searching/browsing, etc.) and access to anything you do when the game doesn't run that gets stored on any non-removable hard disk on your system. They even have access to essentially remotely take over and use your PC while the game is running with kernal level access and you will never be alerted or prompted to this happening. What's worse is people openly agree to this with the EULA and miss the part where they have zero legal recourse should they have identity theft or other issues arise from the third party company mishandling your data.

That's BattleEye. Never have been a fan. However, even if it will be that intrusive, so be it. There is a reason why those that have security concerns as deep as yours refrain from using Windows.

Windows has vulnerabilities for sure, but those can and do get patched as they are discovered. Also it is easy to detect/prevent outside intrusion to your network if you are even remotely capable in the IT field.
Good luck playing this game on iOS, which btw also has vulnerabilities but is less popular to work on exploits for (and even less popular to have as a gaming platform.)

Windows is basically spyware. Network intrusion has nothing to do with Windows disseminating information. We aren't talking about gaming on trash iOS - lol! Worst assumption possible when it comes to gaming. For the most part, Linux works without issue with SoT.

Lol, so Linux is safe you say? You are the first person in the world to claim so if that's the case.

If you were in the IT industry or had development knowledge, you wouldn't have made that statement. The guy that claims Windows collects no data & seemingly thinks it is the best OS if one has privacy concerns.

At this point you think Rare should just keep looking the other way?

Nope and they don't. People report other players for a range of issues and players do in fact get banned. I am also sure said player's data gets fed to the anti-cheat so it can learn further about suspicious behaviors. As others point out it isn't a big deal to send video when you report as the Xbox/gamebar apps have this function built in. You yourself record a bit according to a quick internet search. You also tend to claim cheats quite often so I am not so sure you understand there are plenty of players better than yourself on the seas on top of the horrible state of the servers and hit reg (which I have seen you call out in one of your videos as suspicious potential cheating incorrectly)

I love that you are stalking me. I need more subs when I start making more content. However, people like you that advocate for cheating tend to be in denial. Just the way this works. If you decided to do a quick internet search to find the blatant cheats for this game, you just might understand. Instead you decided to do a quick internet search to make false allegations and attack me. Great job.

Literally took 2 minutes of my day on a break to google your gamertag. Don't flatter yourself. Also you pushing your narrative that I am for cheating is hilariously without basis.
Just because cheats exist for ANY game doesn't mean they aren't getting people banned. No one advertises that their products have downsides, otherwise they would have no customers. You see restaurants advertise when they have a food poisoning outbreak? No, they try and sweep it under the rug and move on.

You deny that cheating is an issue & you keep claiming that the current anti-cheat system is akin to the second coming of Jesus; when it's clearly not. I thought it was safe to assume that you were a cheating advocate.

You cannot prove that you got food poisoning from that restaurant by looking at the food. Just like video evidence will not help in catching cheaters. You need to take a sample of that food to the lab. Clearly, that is not happening here when the same cheaters are still playing on the same account. These players privately stream what they are doing & tell me what they are doing. They have no worries of getting caught nor does the current anti-cheat system catch them. Seems to me there hasn't been an attempt to target the more popular, and free, ESP or Aimbot considering the time it has been around.

Quote for truth? Please quote where I said cheating isn't an issue in this game. You also are saying the current anti-cheat is trash without knowing a single fact about how it operates, do you need an article link pasted?
At this point you are just continually hurling accusations at me while quoting previous posts where I made no such statements. THAT is against forum and community rules.

You must be the lead developer of the current anti-cheat system. You read an article about it so you know all the inner workings? I like how you are trying to get me to break forum rules so you can entrap me. You have implied that cheating is not an issue with every post you make.

Thanks for the discussion before you started stalking & making false allegations, but we are done in this thread. There is no reason for me to continue responding to your know-it-all forum warrior antics. It is, what it is. If you think cheating is okay in its current state; fine. We have nothing further to discuss.

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser The current Machine Learning server-sided anti-cheat has failed us. Windows OS has already intrusively touched your private data.

Both systems should be in place; not one or the other. Yes, there will be those that find ways around, but why not smoke out the casual cheaters.

Hasn't exactly been under development that long. These things take time. Think about when anti-cheat first started out. Was it as effective as you want out of the gate? No it was lousy and easily reverse engineered and defeated. The beginning of the back and forth.

I thought you said it couldn't be reverse engineered? Hrmmmm.

Server-sided cannot, but this is something new (literally less than a year in the field working) The old-school way of using a client side kernal permissioned program definitely is as I stated.

Also, Windows has zero access to send out any data automatically and you would have to add third party programs/provide kernal level access or open ports for said data to flow out from your system. It is literally just a file system and GUI. MS, Rare, SoT has no access to anything on my hard disk so not sure what you are talking about.

I could link you to several articles & videos that say otherwise. Just send me a DM.

Just drop a link on the forum? Should be public info and totally in the bounds of forums rules to do so.

Not going to happen with the vague rules in place.

Zero rules against posting links to articles outside of SoT. It happens regularly and is fine. Sounds like someone doesn't have evidence to reinforce his narrative.

Someones salty enough to engage in entrapment shenanigans.

With keylogging, screenshot/video clipping of ALL displays, hard disk snapshotting, live memory monitoring, companies like BattlEye have access to anything and everything you do while the game is running (passwords entered, account numbers and identifiers entered, personal searching/browsing, etc.) and access to anything you do when the game doesn't run that gets stored on any non-removable hard disk on your system. They even have access to essentially remotely take over and use your PC while the game is running with kernal level access and you will never be alerted or prompted to this happening. What's worse is people openly agree to this with the EULA and miss the part where they have zero legal recourse should they have identity theft or other issues arise from the third party company mishandling your data.

That's BattleEye. Never have been a fan. However, even if it will be that intrusive, so be it. There is a reason why those that have security concerns as deep as yours refrain from using Windows.

Windows has vulnerabilities for sure, but those can and do get patched as they are discovered. Also it is easy to detect/prevent outside intrusion to your network if you are even remotely capable in the IT field.
Good luck playing this game on iOS, which btw also has vulnerabilities but is less popular to work on exploits for (and even less popular to have as a gaming platform.)

Windows is basically spyware. Network intrusion has nothing to do with Windows disseminating information. We aren't talking about gaming on trash iOS - lol! Worst assumption possible when it comes to gaming. For the most part, Linux works without issue with SoT.

Lol, so Linux is safe you say? You are the first person in the world to claim so if that's the case.

If you were in the IT industry or had development knowledge, you wouldn't have made that statement. The guy that claims Windows collects no data & seemingly thinks it is the best OS if one has privacy concerns.

At this point you think Rare should just keep looking the other way?

Nope and they don't. People report other players for a range of issues and players do in fact get banned. I am also sure said player's data gets fed to the anti-cheat so it can learn further about suspicious behaviors. As others point out it isn't a big deal to send video when you report as the Xbox/gamebar apps have this function built in. You yourself record a bit according to a quick internet search. You also tend to claim cheats quite often so I am not so sure you understand there are plenty of players better than yourself on the seas on top of the horrible state of the servers and hit reg (which I have seen you call out in one of your videos as suspicious potential cheating incorrectly)

I love that you are stalking me. I need more subs when I start making more content. However, people like you that advocate for cheating tend to be in denial. Just the way this works. If you decided to do a quick internet search to find the blatant cheats for this game, you just might understand. Instead you decided to do a quick internet search to make false allegations and attack me. Great job.

Literally took 2 minutes of my day on a break to google your gamertag. Don't flatter yourself. Also you pushing your narrative that I am for cheating is hilariously without basis.
Just because cheats exist for ANY game doesn't mean they aren't getting people banned. No one advertises that their products have downsides, otherwise they would have no customers. You see restaurants advertise when they have a food poisoning outbreak? No, they try and sweep it under the rug and move on.

You deny that cheating is an issue & you keep claiming that the current anti-cheat system is akin to the second coming of Jesus; when it's clearly not. I thought it was safe to assume that you were a cheating advocate.

You cannot prove that you got food poisoning from that restaurant by looking at the food. Just like video evidence will not help in catching cheaters. You need to take a sample of that food to the lab. Clearly, that is not happening here when the same cheaters are still playing on the same account. These players privately stream what they are doing & tell me what they are doing. They have no worries of getting caught nor does the current anti-cheat system catch them. Seems to me there hasn't been an attempt to target the more popular, and free, ESP or Aimbot considering the time it has been around.

Quote for truth? Please quote where I said cheating isn't an issue in this game. You also are saying the current anti-cheat is trash without knowing a single fact about how it operates, do you need an article link pasted?
At this point you are just continually hurling accusations at me while quoting previous posts where I made no such statements. THAT is against forum and community rules.

You must be the lead developer of the current anti-cheat system. You read an article about it so you know all the inner workings? I like how you are trying to get me to break forum rules so you can entrap me. You have implied that cheating is not an issue with every post you make.

Thanks for the discussion before you started stalking & making false allegations, but we are done in this thread. There is no reason for me to continue responding to your know-it-all forum warrior antics. It is, what it is. If you think cheating is okay in its current state; fine. We have nothing further to discuss.

Thank goodness. This convo ended the way it began. One sided and without substance.

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@thatgy16 Same old, "you must be bad at the game argument." You would never know if someone was using ESP or aim-bot (for the most part). No video is going to help you. Just keeping it real, I never claimed anyone was cheating until they straight up told me & showed me that they were. Then it lead me to look these cheats up to see what they are about. They are more rampant than you think.

Never once said i was good at the game, or that the op needs to get better or anything like that. Just that in my extensive time with the game i have only ever seen one person that i was convinced was in fact hacking. If i may make a suggestion, just chill out. If someone has told you they are hacking or you have proof, record and report, but the games hacking problem is far less than many other games ive played, and the current anti cheat is pretty good regardless of what you think. Hope you have a good time out on the seas, i genuinely mean it.

@enderdragon1242 said in Anti-Cheat:

This game is getting a rise in cheaters

I'm not saying you're wrong but I would ask why would there suddenly be a rise in cheaters on a game that released in 2018? Does that no strike you as odd?

@galactic-geek said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser The current Machine Learning server-sided anti-cheat has failed us.

How could you possibly know this?

The same cheaters using the same hacks are still playing the game with the same accounts. I know them. They let it be known. I know the source of said hacks.

Windows OS has already intrusively touched your private data.

In this day and age, who hasn't?

What's your point?

Both systems should be in place; not one or the other.

That's debatable.

Debatable since you seem to condone cheating in SoT.

Yes, there will be those that find ways around, but why not smoke out the casual cheaters.

You think they don't?

I know they don't. It takes a toxicity report to get them gone. Refer to my answer to your first question.

At this point you think Rare should just keep looking the other way?

Of course not! ...and they don't.

Then why have they not took any action?

@scurvywoof i can see that you aren't playin' sea of thieves often, cheating is literally the biggest problem at the moment. how can you say that cheats such as aimbot, harpoon & cannon predict are useless?

@galactic-geek said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@galactic-geek said in Anti-Cheat:

@bambino133t said in Anti-Cheat:

@kommodoreyenser The current Machine Learning server-sided anti-cheat has failed us.

How could you possibly know this?

The same cheaters using the same hacks are still playing the game with the same accounts. I know them. They let it be known. I know the source of said hacks.

Then report all of that! Give them detailed info! Website addresses, screenshots, names, video, etc.

I thought the anti-cheat was working? I thought all the casual cheaters were getting banned? Seems like a lot of work for one guy to report a dozen people in a pool of uncountable amounts of cheaters that I cannot pinpoint on my own. Rare is well aware of these hacks. They all use the same APK.

Windows OS has already intrusively touched your private data.

In this day and age, who hasn't?

What's your point?

My point is that if it's online, it's not private. It's been that way for a long time.

That was the point I was making in the context of my conversation with the other fella.

Both systems should be in place; not one or the other.

That's debatable.

Debatable since you seem to condone cheating in SoT.

You don't necessarily need 2 systems in place if 1 of them does the job - and it's thst aspect we disagree on.

Clearly the current one is not doing the job. It may catch macros, but that seems to be the extent that it goes.

At this point you think Rare should just keep looking the other way?

Of course not! ...and they don't.

Then why have they not took any action?

Probably because you're not taking the appropriate actions yourself, or are not providing enough detailed info in your reports. Or both.

It's all on me then? Only way to catch a cheater is to report them. And, reporting people you do not know is impossible. A video clip cannot prove aim-bot or ESP. In other words, Rare has done nothing to combat cheaters in SoT.

@gallerine5582 said in Anti-Cheat:

(To expand on what scurvywoof said:)

Invincibility is an exploit, not the result of a hacked-client. One shotting is either a blunderbuss or you were shot by two different people. Teleporting is straight up lag, that's no one's fault.

Instant ship repairing...? Grabbing all the treasure at once?

OP, you aren't making any sense. You claim these cheats exist, but you also claim to not have the ability to record it due to dying so fast. So I'm curious:

How are you seeing these specific things without recording, or dying?

Ship repairs would be on their own ship I assume, (unless you're getting cheaters on YOUR crew, which would be easily recordable), so riddle me this Batman, if you're claiming cheats on repairs on the interior of their ship, how can you see them to confirm they instantly repaired? If you died so quickly to one shots, how did you get close enough to see them to confirm it? How would you watch them long enough to see them start the repair AND finish; NOT get a recording, and still claim it's cheating...?

Same goes for grabbing all the loot. How did you see they had a lot of loot that was all moved at once, but couldn't record it???

You make these claims OP, and an excuse to back them up, but despite the backup, they still fall in on themselves. These two extras I talked about feel like a grab at anything to add to the list, whether you've seen it or not.

Or perhaps this person here was sunk and was salty over being sunk by the more experienced player. My advice, git gud. Which unfortunately is all the advice I can give

@scurvywoof you said that you don't play as much as you used to, but you still encountered one cheater. imagine playing 8 to 10 hours a few days per week, let's say ~35 hours per week. if you experienced one cheater in your playtime, just make an imagination excercise and think about how many cheaters do I encounter per week. aimbot is not used for swords, and i think that is pretty obvious (i hope), if a cheater is playing the flintlock with the eye of reach you can get almost instant killed and not understand what happend. i have almost 1000 hours of playtime in sea of thieves and i've seen every single type of cheat. i also got a cheater on my team while playing arena, he was launching me with the cannon right on top of the chest, all i had to do was dig it. if you play double gun you have 10 ammo, 2 for each player to kill. you can easily kill a whole galleon crew with that, or use the blunderbuss and insta-kill them, there are a lot of cheats that have aimbot. harpoon predict is used to grab players & loot, used a lot in the arena before it was closed. cannon predict is, in fact, a cheat. yeah, you can learn how to use the cannon to shoot the cannonballs, that's easy. but shooting a crewmate with the cannon right on the enemies ship? 3 times in a row until we sank? doubt it. it IS a problem, sea of thieves doesn't have any type of anti-cheat, you can inject internal and external programs into the game's process and the only way you can get banned is being reported by another player, with video proof. i don't think that players with no achievements in the game, sailor title and clothes are that good. and they are not using them because they want to look like new players, i've searched them on xbox live and their accounts were just made, bought xbox game pass to play sea of thieves with 1$ and cheating. i know what i'm talking about, i made a ticket to rare a few days ago and they sent me here, that's why i'm about to make a topic about cheaters and bad servers.

I feel like the best anti-cheat they could actually do would be to limit the number of accounts someone can have tied to a single game license. Maybe a cap of 4 or 5. As they get banned and run out of licenses for alt accounts, they'd either have to buy a new copy of the game, or move onto the next game to cheat at.

Sure that would impact household with like 6+ kids...but...idk how much of the playerbase is households with 6+ kids all into SOT.

My house has 5. I have 2 and each of my kids has 1. (Not counting insiders)

Plus, make an account. Get Gamepass for 1$.

That wouldn't stop a troll.

I'm curious as to how many of those claiming rampant widespread cheating are playing on PC or Console along with region and playstyle.

If this is going to be a reasonable discussion about RaMpAnT cheating any ways.

For the record, console, NA, and Xbox preferred opt in. Passive/Peaceful (players avoided mostly) Played since launch week.
Like 102 days of game time according to Xbox lol.

I have never seen a cheater or had a cheat used against me...

Around 2000 hours played since launch.
Probably watched about the same amount through various live streams.
I'm on EU servers and play on PC via cross-play servers.
I've encountered maybe one person I thought may have been using a hack.

I had to give up playing Team Fortress 2 due to what I would class as rampant cheating. Almost every server had at least one bot and at least one player who hit headshots every single time due to aimbots. The lobbies were just constantly people voting to kick the bots/cheats.

So yes, I have experienced cheating in games and know what it looks like, but despite all my hours playing and watching, this isn't evident on SoT.

I've seen one or two claims recently of a teleporting cheat, but to me, this is likely just server related, based on actual proof I've seen and experienced.

Does this example look like @galactic-geek is cheating? 🤣

Damn bro, why you hacking to collect supplies quicker? 🤣

Also, do you see how they managed to record evidence of the problem? Everyone can do that, whether on PC or Xbox and no-one can stop you. Here's the guide for those unaware https://support.xbox.com/en-GB/help/friends-social-activity/share-socialize/capture-game-clips-and-screenshots.

I also saw a streamer be teleported from a brig's deck to below deck when they were trying to take a shot. They were confused by what happened and why would they teleport at that moment to avoid being able to land their shot? It would make no sense.

Both me and my crewmate experienced weird teleportation of our characters yesterday, and all we were doing was looking for rowboats to blow up Golden Sands. I was at Keel Haul Fort and standing around where the red mark on the left is, I was then insta-telported to near the Fort doorway entrance ramp on the right.

Does that mean I was cheating? Or.....The more logical reason, server stability problems.

Yes, there likely are a very small number of cheaters in SoT, but they are definitely not rampant or as widespread as some people think. But hey, why believe actual proof that it's not rampant, when you can believe people's claims with no evidence to suggest otherwise?

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