What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?

@ser-pineapples I've seen posts that have said the spawning mechanics have changed during the final beta, but i would say during the stress tests a galleon crew camping a sloop and spawn killing the person but keeping the ship intact would be considered griefing. or at the very least unsportsman like.

@jarofpeachz said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves:

@ser-pineapples I've seen posts that have said the spawning mechanics have changed during the final beta, but i would say during the stress tests a galleon crew camping a sloop and spawn killing the person but keeping the ship intact would be considered griefing. or at the very least unsportsman like.

I agree it's not very sporting. We have the option of being that dastardly if we want. It's not exactly my play style but I won't condemn players that play that way. So yes it's bloodthirsty behaviour but not griefing. It's part of the pvp.

@enf0rcer i am aware of the scuttle tactic. I use it myself when i die and i want to get as far away from my killers as possible. its just the newer players that probably dont even know there is a scuttle option.

@lucid-stew yes I agree the respawn is a little to far away now. Not bad but doesn't feel like the sweet spot yet.

@enf0rcer said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves:

I have an interesting story to tell about this. My crew and i while attacking a sloop our ship sank do to some kind of bug. So i instructed my crew to comindeer to the enermy vessel which we did. We had recovered all our tresure and sailed the ship back to port after spawn killing the own a few times. We then sank his ship as our ship happened to spawn on that outpost and we mange to sell off all out treasure and his. Now some would call that greifing. I call that just good pirating cause at any moment he could have scuttle the ship or kill all of us and get all the booty for himself but he didn't we did.

That's creative and critical thinking skills right there. That's what this game's vision has been.

@ser-pineapples said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

Actually I've done that too and will keep trying to, not bc of PvP motives but bc of supplies. My crew and I will split up, 2 holding the guy back while the other 2 steal all his supplies.

That's actually a good idea for collecting supplies.

Well said sir!

@sergent-c****r Thank you. Too many have been trying to spin a narrative about the game being full of griefers. The truth is a lot of people just simply feel that any opposition to their plans is griefing. I agree that having your game plan thwarted sucks and people may do so in unsporting ways, but its part of the game. What they don't understand is being a poor loser is also unsporting behaviour.

@dewradley I'd also say killing a guy over and over again even when there is no treasure gain for the killer and the killer knows it, is griefing. it's toxic. You might be able to scuttle, but that doesn't change the fact the player killing the other is being toxic.

@v**a-hombre said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

@ser-pineapples said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

Actually I've done that too and will keep trying to, not bc of PvP motives but bc of supplies. My crew and I will split up, 2 holding the guy back while the other 2 steal all his supplies.

I've always viewed much of what makes something "griefing" to be the intent behind it. I've seen others say that they've utilized spawn-camping (and by extension, someone's ignorance of scuttling) in order to buy them time to steal chests and/or supplies.

I agree that this is not griefing.

Now if someone does it just because they think it's funny or because there's something about the other player they just want to harass them for; then I think you're getting into griefing territory. If not technically, then certainly in spirit.

I agree the ones pulling off the latter may be twisted individuals but they are still acting within their rights in the game. I've been on the receiving end of this but did not get upset over it. In the end if you get upset that someone sunk your boat for any reason that's just being over sensitive. I mean come on people are you playing this game to be someone made of glass or are you playing to be a pirate.

@gholin said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

@dewradley I'd also say killing a guy over and over again even when there is no treasure gain for the killer and the killer knows it, is griefing. it's toxic. You might be able to scuttle, but that doesn't change the fact the player killing the other is being toxic.

It's pvp not griefing. Sorry but some people want to just fight in this game for any reason. That's there perogative and their right to do so. Someone is always going to be on the losing end of that. If you're upset about it then that's more of a player's personal problem. Not everyone is going to want to play the game the same way you do. In the end you make the choice to either respect their actions or be over sensitive about it.

@v**a-hombre Well said

@ironuzuka said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

@dewradley
To grieve:
verb (used without object), grieved, grieving.
1.
to feel grief or great sorrow:
She has grieved over his death for nearly three years.
verb (used with object), grieved, grieving.
2.
to distress mentally; cause to feel grief or sorrow:
It grieves me to see you so unhappy.
3.
Archaic. to oppress or wrong.

Anything you do can fall into this. It's not a crime and should never become so. I mean the other day, I f****d really loud and it smelled real bad, that grieved a lot of people in the room. The oppression by the smell was too stronk!
So this translates in SoT as follows. I dropped the sails, I was put in the brig. I killed my all crew with a GP, I was put in the brig. I refused to join party chat, I was put in the brig. I called out someone from my crew for killing a guy from another crew to whom I was talking, I was put in the brig.
You want to define something that by it's own nature is a spectrum, or the reflection of one. What I consider to be grieving, some others will think it's hilarious, even as victims. The whole prank business is based on this.
This is my mere take on it. Might as well be wrong ...

I see what you're getting at here. I'm just trying to get a clearer definition of griefing for the sea of thieves community. As it is I've seen a number of posts where people want to report or ban people simply because they don't play the game the same way. Everyone is going to play the game differently. I think having a clearer definition of what griefing is could help this community. It would also be a nice spot to give tips so players can avoid being in situations they don't like.

I don't know. My situation seems like a clear case of griefing.

I went to one of the forts and there were all these people dressed as skeletons camping the place. As I pulled up they started firing canons at me! I didn't have any treasure and I even said so. They were probably all on teamspeak or something so they didn't hear me.

I was just looking around searching for the key to a vault. They just kept coming at me! I kept respawning and killing them. It was terrible and unnecessary. It went on for a while.

Finally, this guy dressed like a skeleton (where did they get that outfit?) named Captain Boom Boom or something comes out. He's the one with the key. He's not doing anything with it. I could understand if he used it to get into the vault himself and cash in the chests. No! He's just holding it to lure others onto the island because the skull cloud tells you when the treasure respawns. He doesn't want the treasure. He and his gang just wanted to PVP.

I didn't want to PVP anyone. I just wanted to play PVE. That skeleton crew was obviously griefing.

@hammy-hamstar said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

@dewradley said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

Posting the same things over and over and over.

Seeing the endless wave of "this player griefed me wahhhhh" is why I made this thread. Sorry if it upset you.

Anyone participating in pvp of any kind is griefing.
......thats sarcasm for anyone who dont get it.

@ghostpaw said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

I don't know. My situation seems like a clear case of griefing.

I went to one of the forts and there were all these people dressed as skeletons camping the place. As I pulled up they started firing canons at me! I didn't have any treasure and I even said so. They were probably all on teamspeak or something so they didn't hear me.

I was just looking around searching for the key to a vault. They just kept coming at me! I kept respawning and killing them. It was terrible and unnecessary. It went on for a while.

Finally, this guy dressed like a skeleton (where did they get that outfit?) named Captain Boom Boom or something comes out. He's the one with the key. He's not doing anything with it. I could understand if he used it to get into the vault himself and cash in the chests. No! He's just holding it to lure others onto the island because the skull cloud tells you when the treasure respawns. He doesn't want the treasure. He and his gang just wanted to PVP.

I didn't want to PVP anyone. I just wanted to play PVE. That skeleton crew was obviously griefing.

I see what you did there and it was funny. Let me guess when you used the key the treasure was gone to further troll you. 😅

@dewradley said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

I see what you did there and it was funny. Let me guess when you used the key the treasure was gone to further troll you. 😅

YES!! They got you too!?

@ghostpaw said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

@dewradley said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

I see what you did there and it was funny. Let me guess when you used the key the treasure was gone to further troll you. 😅

YES!! They got you too!?

Yes those darn skeletons always trying to impede my quest for treasure. In fact they always pop up when I dig up a chest. They should be banned. /sarcasm

@damnstraighteye The game world is made up of islands so everything is pretty much at sea. I'm pretty sure that rule is written to mean don't take your battles outside of the game. Sort of a what happens in Sea of Thieves stays in Sea of Thieves. I agree camping an outpost is pretty lame but there has been no definitive rule stating people can't do it.