Since when is "getting good" needed to enjoy a game?

I remember you that "Arena" is not a "pvp mode", despite a condensed "adventure mode". In your topic:
https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/79212/sea-of-thieves-is-a-fun-game-long-post I think that @SwimPlatypus7 hit the point very well here of why this shouln't be a thing

Maybe if there is so much demand for it could it not also be a positive thing? If it gets a lot of new players after a while they might want to try out this adventure mode with the little pvp in it?

@baftnation And I share that, with not a single reward, is a good idea. Devs in one of the recents streams have stated that this could be a thing in such a form, but as I said, if there's only a bit of progression, that could (and is going to) end up just like in every single game where a pvpve game turned into separate modes for both: a shipwreck.

Of course the game need some type of "roleplay" halls for events between fleets (clans) or for content creators like CptFalcore, but thats a thing and other entirely different is a pve only mode.

This topic is actually like the "Tortuga" one, and with the Arena arrival (and his "Lobby Tavern") this could take a desirable and healthy form making it possible things like the "Events server with no progression" and the "social hub" thing without damaging the actuall game.

I prefer the game we all first sailed into. However, The Arena is a condensed soup version of that game into a mix with water and get a PvP server.

Time to be fair and stop trying to have it one way. If Rare can give the PvP requesting/demanding pirates more of what they want, it would be unfair to not give the other pirates out there more of what they want as well.

@x-crowheart-x dijo en Since when is "getting good" needed to enjoy a game?:

If Rare can give the PvP requesting/demanding pirates more of what they want, it would be unfair to not give the other pirates out there more of what they want as well.

From the feedback seen months ago, I strongly think is actually the opposite: the way of Rare to please the pve community putting a carrot outside of the adventure mode for the pvpers while not doing the suicide of a pve only mode.

@amancebacabras said in Since when is "getting good" needed to enjoy a game?:

@x-crowheart-x dijo en Since when is "getting good" needed to enjoy a game?:

If Rare can give the PvP requesting/demanding pirates more of what they want, it would be unfair to not give the other pirates out there more of what they want as well.

From the feedback seen months ago, I strongly think is actually the opposite: the way of Rare to please the pve community putting a carrot outside of the adventure mode for the pvpers while not doing the suicide of a pve only mode.

Yes and no. While The Arena may have a residual effect after stirring allowing the sea to congeal better, it is still catering to the players that wanted more PvP. It is also Rare’s hidden recipe to cook up a “BR” mode which is the latest craze like bell bottoms and lava lamps. An effort to bring more to the table... sea.

@baftnation

:D me shooting? now i wonder when this was .. i try to be this friendly chickenboat captain ^^

@enticed-malice said in Since when is "getting good" needed to enjoy a game?:

sorry but pve only mode should not reward anything. no gold, no rep, nothing. if you want to be rewarded, go the normal game and earn the rewards while maintaining the risk factor, not cheesing the system.

This.

@baftnation I dont think that the players that could jump from a pve only mode to the adventure mode were uncomfortable with the current adventure mode, but the pve of this game is too much easy/frustrating, with no middle point for a pve mode; from killing Karen, Meg or a wave of athena's skeletons with no effort, to being obliterated by an entire undead line infantry company when the wave pulls more than 6 pistol/eye of reach skellies at the same time with that Sir Arthur Dayne skelly at front line that can tank everything with his cutlass while you can't charge an attack because the snipers XD.

With this kind of pve that is actually not "proud" rewarding, you dont feel never the "I've passed a legendary feat" of the real pve, but get bored very quickly or worst, frustrated. As I said long ago, no one really enjoys the task of charming snakes with a hurdy gurdy ad infinitum if there's no real risk of losing that work, and that risk could only come in form of other players that may or may not be better than the player.

@baftnation

Must have been with captain panic i stayed at his house this summer and then i just startet playing sot :")
Srry for afk

@baftnation It never is a requirement. But if you're a casual player and you don't care to dedicate the time/effort to get good at the game then you shouldn't care or get upset when someone who does destroys you. As frustrating as forced PvP can be on a new/bad player it is how the game is designed to be. Rare doesn't want you to sail around risk free never having to worry about PvP. I'm sure some people were either lied to or simply ill informed before buying the game and under the impression that they could play like this, but that's simply not the reality of Rare's vision. While they don't want galleons filled with legends going around dumping on brand new sloops, in a weird way that's part of the SoT experience. If you can't handle it you may just want to jump ship. This game while it can be really fun and relaxing is far from a purely casual experience.

@baftnation Yeah, but in my "game history" I've yet to find a player of that kind that sticks with the same game enough time to sustain it. Some people find their carrots, others need someone shown them, but the players that can't pay attention to carrots shouldn't be heard in any game, and in a lot they get pleased only to leave after that.

Just like platypus pointed in their post, Ill talk about the same game, WoW: the first servers to die in world of warcraft when Blizzard started to discourage the pvpve experiences and started losing players in the procces, where the pve ones. A lot of people asked for "solving" the outdoor pvp "problem" and Blizzard finded that, in fact, that started to kill the game and the only servers that stayed in a healthy form where the pvp ones (where more people understanded that in some games one mode couldn't live without the other one).

Today, in a game where less than 2 million players pay the suscription when there was a time with 13 and a lot more in pirate servers, every single old friend of mine remember their battles in Tarren Mill or Stranglethorn while they were leveling, not the times they were killing spiders in Duskwood or Lions in The Barrens

IMO, people that enjoy pve only should wait until the "Tall Tales" and "The Arena" updates get live servers, because these 2 updates are going to change the pvpve experience a lot and I see a bit pointless to give feedback about a topic that has been worked but not yet implemented. Who knows, maybe that people dont need the pve only mode after these 2 updates...

@baftnation There's really no other solution. Either they like the game so they'll deal with the PvP aspect, or they'll find something they enjoy more. You can't ask the company to change their entire vision they spent years creating just because PvP scares people off.

@targasbr

You made me reminisce about the golden age of gaming. The first coin chomping arcade game I played all the time was Donkey Kong. It stood along the wall of our small town’s only grocery store. Once a week I had until my mother or grandmother came back with the cart filled with grocery bags to get to my next highest level.

First in home game system was playing a game with two lines and a dot. Thought I was living the dream with my first computer on a desk in my room. Buying heavy boxes filled with a dozen or more floppy disks. A real manual and tangible bonus items like a cloth map or a plastic figure.

Dozens of consoles and home built computers later here we are. My first upgrade was to purchase a tube of memory chips by mail order to plug one by one into slots on a motherboard. Now I buy a video card which is basically its own computer with memory, cooling fans, and a cost to match all the other parts in a box to play the next graphics mind blowing game.

Back in the beginning I would have to write a letter, in cursive of course, to interact with a game’s creators. Purchase a stamp and hope it would be read if I wanted to talk to a game developer. I did write letters being the video game geek I can be. Got one reply asking me to beta test the second game in the Gabriel Knight series. Now we can meet the developers up close to shake their hands at shows and join forums to give feedback, ask questions, and yes make requests as fast as we can press submit.

It is a privilege to be a genius to make video games. It is a privilege for most of us to be able to afford and play video games. It is a privilege to be able to meet the people who created your favorite game you probably end up playing way too much. It is everyone’s right to speak freely, to ask questions, and even make requests.

We come a long way in the world of video games. I would say a lot of what was truly good and best, has been lost as resolution, frame rate, and connection speeds got better. Games maybe flashier, but they are in many regards not the same anymore. Hopefully one day the good old days will be the good new days. Hopefully others will learn to live and let live. What a better place we all will be privileged to play together in.