@knifelife Agreed!

While I understand the necessity to add a new UI for new types of food, cannonballs and what not, I still believe that the radial menu was the best way to represent clearly what ressources the player is carrying

The new TAB menu system is perfect however for clothes equipments and shipwrights. Using tab to see those is a good idea and is a good improvement towards trades for example: having a jacket in multiple numbers etc...

Now when it comes to barrels.. The new UI is definitely not the best option and you know it. A "take all" option will indeed reduce the time spent on the barrel only if the option is exeternal from the actual UI. For example : "Press F to loot all" while watching the barrel and be free of moving like the old system.

Frankly I only want to deal with the new Barrel menu when I need to.
You should give the players the option to loot quick and be mobile while doing so OR go in depth with the new UI and take risks (or not).

We're all looting barrel to the max anyways right ? So just use 1 input to loot all and we should be fine.

Ah... also... preview the barrel content when the player is looking at it please... At least the main ressources ...

@mikethemutinous The new UI is so much slower that even Take All won't fix it. We need to be able to grab things from barrels on the fly, perhaps whilst being chased by a horde of skellies and in desperate need of a banana.

The simple solution here is to make pressing X do what it used to i.e. take the first of whatever items remain in the barrel.

Then make holding X (like you currently use to load a cannon) open the new inventory UI in case you need to do something more complex.

Storing items isn't as vital to optimise but taking them needs to be as quick as possible, just as it used to be.

@iisrgntwolfii said in Inventory Changes - Expanding the Game:

I would like to make 1 comment regarding the "take all/store all" feature.

If/When this is implemented, it should NOT apply to enemy ships.
I should have to take or store 1 item at a time.
If take all/store all is added, doing this to an enemy ship would allow an instant drain to cannonball supplies in the current state of things.

Take all/Store all on MY ship and other barrels - YES
Take all store all on ENEMY/ALLIANCE ship - NO

Thanks.

At the moment you can have almost 3600 cannonballs on a brig or galleon and 1200 bananas and planks. So unless they didn't have a lot to begin with, draining supplies is not a viable option if a crew wants to get prepared.

@knifelife Did I miss that, they are adding buy supplies soon? Will this mean they will add the ability to buy a stocked ship? With all of the new info flying I may have skimmed some of the posts. So if you have a reference for that can you share it please?

@vgtrooper said in Inventory Changes - Expanding the Game:

I will add that I would be ok with previous mentioned ideas of having quicker actions for the barrel interaction.

• Hold F (on keyboard) or hold X (on controller) = enter UI
• press F (on keyboard) or press X (on controller) = quick grab of 1 item at a time of the default item (regular cannonball, plank, banana)
• R (on keyboard) or Y (on controller) = quick store, 1 at a time, of the item in your hand. So if you are holding a banana at the food barrel, pressing R/Y would store that item 1 at a time (meaning 1 item per press)

This.

I wish the merchant crates worked like this too.

F: take cannonball from crate
Hold F: pick up crate
R: Store ball in crate
Hold R: look inside crate

@iisrgntwolfii said in Inventory Changes - Expanding the Game:

@m1sterpunch
But still, being able to drain 100ish cannonballs in one button press is a bit much, and this small limitation would make stealing resources from a player ship riskier.

Want those 10 anchor balls? Better take the few seconds to mash the button.

Yeah I never thought about Cursed balls. I think we should have a limit of 3 per kind anyway. The fact we can hold 10 of each type of ball on our personal inventory seems broken to me. Worse than the ridiculous amount of supplies the ships can hold now.

Goodness, I have caused my three favorite pirates to refer to each other for info. This is great... LOL

I have been playing the game since launch, pirate legend and athena 10 reached, etc. Absolutely Love this game, love that the experience can be different every time I play and that the game play is 100% equal playing field. Anyway, I (as so obviously many others) have grown very concerned with the direction of the game with this latest update. I do not normally speak up on forums in general, I find that they can become convoluted with a lot of nonconstructive bickering and complaining.

That being said, there have been some spectacularly constructive discussions on the forums and elsewhere (reddit/etc) with the release of this update, which is awesome that the community, for the most part is coming together to say more than "ugh this sucks! I'm done!". There have been some fantastic ideas discussed. While I appreciate the update post from Mike, it feels like Rare are reading some of this feedback and making yet further hasty responses and plans for updates without fully ingesting the community response. Basically Mike's post said, "hey community we hear you that you don't like this update. Tough, luck..we really want to put maps in the barrels, so here are some quick fix updates we are planning to smooth out the edges a little bit so you can swallow this update easier."

Plain and simple, this barrel/inventory system has broken the game play that those of us that have stuck with the game have grown to love. I don't want to sound like the old guy that is afraid of progress and change, but this literally breaks a fundamental mechanic of the game. No longer can we have a fast paced game. As others have already pointed out, we will now be spending so much of our time in a menu... out exploring and island? in the menu for every barrel... fighting on an enemy ship and need a banana or want to rid them of their supplies? in a menu...and dead.

OK great, you want to add more items to be available in barrels, i think that is a great idea. But what sense does it make that a single barrel would have 99 planks, 99 bananas, 99 cannon balls, etc? and before everyone screams, "it's a game! not real!" there still needs to be some resemblance of logic here. Nobody IRL would store those items together.

In another discussion on Reddit, I read an idea that, in my opinion, would be as close to perfect as I think we are going to get with minimal impact (I do not take credit for this idea, just simply repeating it because I like it and want there to be more visibility to such an idea). Anyway, the suggestion was to make ALL of the barrels usable for any single item type you want. walk up to a barrel, using the current QUICK system, put a banana in it.. that barrel is now a banana barrel until you take out the last banana. Dito for planks, cannon balls, cursed cannon balls, etc. THIS accomplishes the goal of being able to add endless variety of new items/resources to the game.. without having to add a clunky menu just to retrieve items.

I have additional thoughts/concerns on the cursed cannon balls in general, but that can be for another thread..

Anyway, THANK YOU Rare for making such an awesome game. It has been a very long time since I felt passionate enough about a game that felt compelled to post on a forum re: updates. usually, if there's a game breaking update to a game I play, I just stop playing until it is fixed or dies. I don't want to stop playing SoT, I love this game and I want to see it succeed..

/sorry for the wall of text

@mikethemutinous said in Inventory Changes - Expanding the Game:

We’ve also unfortunately ended up in a situation where the Cursed Crews event and the addition of the Cursed Cannonballs are so closely tied that we ran out of time to react to feedback from our Sea of Thieves Pioneers.

So you rushed a feature and ignored feedback. You delayed this update by a day, but what's the harm in another week or two while you sort it out properly? Pack it in with Forsaken Shores. Could have always given us another event in the meantime.

We'd all love to have cursed cannonballs, but we would love to know you take these changes and your Pioneer program seriously.

@cokney-charmer I have learned a new word today. Shambolic. I appreciate everything you said, and in many ways feel the same way. They took the one thing I really hated about this game (stocking a boat) and made it waaaaaay worse. And yes, Rare's response was slow. But to their defense, they do take the feedback and use it. Granted, in this case, they messed up and should have simply held back the barrel UI update with the feedback from the pioneer group. Honestly, it wasn't needed right now, we don't have fish or other food types that require storage, yet. No need to store cursed cannon balls. Just make it so that what you carry is the limit to what you can have. They did after all tell us that these cursed cannon balls would be a rare find. I honestly didn't think we would find them at outposts but would have to hunt for them.

Rare wants a balanced game so no one has too much of an advantage over someone else. But allowing someone that has been on for hours to collect and store large quantities of the most powerful weapon in game creates an unbalance between those that just started and those on that server for hours. So get rid of the option to store cursed cannon balls to limit that unbalance, and return the barrel UI to previous UI until a better solution is found.

As for hanging up the game because of this. While I agree, this feels like rubbing salt into a wound to me, as again, I HATE stocking the ship. If needed, take a break, but don't walk away completely. After getting over my disdain for the new mechanics last night, I went on to sail around and got a chance to take out another Skelly ship (making new friends from another ship yet again, even while having the reaper flag on) followed right away with a skull fort. So in the end, once again, the fun outweighed the negative.

Thanks for popping in, @MikeTheMutinous !

Honestly, I've found the new inventory system to be fine (after taking a bit of time to get more used to it). The "empty" marker will be nice though. :)

As a PC player, the one issue I still have with the new system, and not addressed here, is the STORING of items, as opposed to the taking of items.
I really loved holding the item and simply pressing R to place the items into a barrel in the old system.
Can the new system be adapted to allow a similar process?
With the new system, I can still just press F to grab items. It only takes two more clicks (one to open the window, and an ESCAPE to close it) - not a big deal.
Storing items seems more clunky than that, however. Unless I just haven't gotten used to that side of it yet and/or am missing something.

Thanks again!
Some of us know full well that you didn't make these changes lightly, and that sometimes changes will be met with drastic negative reactions... but, aren't all that bad.
Regardless, goonies never say die.

Thank You Mr. Mutanious for the explanation and clarity on upcoming UI improvements. I'm still a bit foggy on the take all feature but when supplying up the take all would be great! But for also hearing us in the Empty Barrell tag that would definitely be a life saver! Keep up the tough job of building the game so we can enjoy it more!

@mikethemutinous said in Inventory Changes - Expanding the Game:

We’ll share a further update next week on our recent commendation rebalancing and how we plan to grow this in the short term to accommodate more goals for Pirate legends

The commendation rebalancing is probably the most atrocious thing that Rare could do to their most dedicated playerbase. For 5 months people have been playing this game working towards Pirate Legend, Athena 10, and grade 5 for their commendations. Rare has been making it easier and easier to get to PL and Athena 10, making the commendations the only thing that separated newer players from those who had played from the beginning.

Those who made it to grade 5 of their commendations were rewarded with extremely rare titles that, in some case, made them more legendary than PLs or Athena 10s (Hunter of Cursed Strongholds, Hunter of Foul Skulls, etc.). Hearing stories about or knowing people that have these titles made them seem possible to achieve and motivated me to work towards unlocking them. Having only recently unlocked a few of these rare titles I experienced a tremendous sense of achievement.

The new update has completely robbed me and all others who worked for these titles of the fruits of our labours. Making us look like fools for having put so much time into getting something that has been completely devalued and lost all of its legendary qualities. Now those meeting only a quarter, fifth, or even a tenth of the previous commendation requirements are rewarded with these once rare titles. The gap between people who have played this game from the beginning has, overnight, been annihilated. The accumulated sense of progress that I had towards long-term goals in the game is a mere shadow of what it once was before the update.

There was no hint or warning that we were working towards meaningless goals for the past weeks/months leading up to this update (other than that Rare was looking into the banana crate spawn rate). There was no explanation or apology of any kind issued to the thousands of people that wasted potentially hundreds of hours of their time on these now meaningless commendations.

The commendations were the only goals that Pirate Legends had left after achieving Athena 10, but that has now been destroyed. Rare has truly made enemies of many of their biggest fans with this update. Saying that we should wait a week for more information about how we're all going to be starting from square one again with new goals/commendations is little more than an insult to those stabbed in the back by this commendation rebalancing.