Pirate Emporium Thoughts

Also I wish they added the ability to put the pets on your shoulder.
That or I can't figure it out.

And add in specific pets that require the completion of commendations first.

that's not pay to win, as having a ship skin doesn't give any advantage.

@tubzy121 said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

that's not pay to win, as having a ship skin doesn't give any advantage.

Pay to progress then.
Sure ship skins don't give you an advantage but nothing in the game does really.
It's ALL cosmetic.

And that's the point, the game's driving force to get people to progress is the ship customizations and clothing.
By adding in one that can be purchased it ruins that whole mechanic, so it may not be exactly Pay To Win, but it will have the same affect on the game.

And some of the packs give 10-20k gold too so, yes, Pay to Win.

@ultimate-powa said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

@tubzy121 said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

that's not pay to win, as having a ship skin doesn't give any advantage.

Pay to progress then.
Sure ship skins don't give you an advantage but nothing in the game does really.
It's ALL cosmetic.

And that's the point, the game's driving force to get people to progress is the ship customizations and clothing.
By adding in one that can be purchased it ruins that whole mechanic, so it may not be exactly Pay To Win, but it will have the same affect on the game.

And some of the packs give 10-20k gold too so, yes, Pay to Win.

lol hahaha Its not pay to win man dont even start, yes cosmetics are the the only main goal but its something you can share its not like personal clothing cosmetics now that would have been bad but they only offer things you can share with others so dont make a big deal out of nothing.
And its a very soft microtransaction shop i want you to check other games before you acuse RARE for "pay to win" rare is business not charity you should be glad that every content being added to the game is free and will stay that way.

@schwammlgott
Yes it's more pay to progress

Seeing as nothing unlockable really gives an advantage in the first place, "Pay To Win" does apply because the objective of the game is to unlock the cool customizations.

@faceyourdemon said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

@ultimate-powa said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

lol hahaha Its not pay to win man dont even start, yes cosmetics are the the only main goal but its something you can share its not like personal clothing cosmetics now that would have been bad but they only offer things you can share with others so dont make a big deal out of nothing.
And its a very soft microtransaction shop i want you to check other games before you acuse RARE for "pay to win" rare is business not charity you should be glad that every content being added to the game is free and will stay that way.

At the moment it's not that bad, sure. That's the way it usually works with games that add in microtransactions.
This is a slippery slope of them adding packs with gold in it, the ship customizations, then all the sudden less unlockable ship customizations start appearing in the game, etc.
If it was just things like the Banjo set or a Master Chief set, etc, then whatever.

Of course Rare is a business which is why I had to pay for the damn game and gladly did so.
When microtransactions were first discussed, they mentioned pets. There was no talk of ship customization and clothing. Emotes are whatever of course because those aren't unlockable through gameplay.
If people don't say something about this though, soon enough the only new skins you will see will be ones from the store.
So that is why I am saying something.

@ultimate-powa Well first of all i dont remember anything about gold and ive bought many things from the emporium shop so unless you give me anything im afraid its not true and they have said very clearly that the ships that they will bring to the emporium shop are going to be game related cosmetics only.

@faceyourdemon said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

@ultimate-powa Well first of all i dont remember anything about gold and ive bought many things from the emporium shop so unless you give me anything im afraid its not true and they have said very clearly that the ships that they will bring to the emporium shop are going to be game related cosmetics only.

Just because I hadn't shown you the link yet doesn't make it any less true.
Did gravity not exist because people had not discovered it?

You haven't seen in on the emporium because it's not on the emporium itself.
They are sneaky about it.

One of them is a limited time thing, but I'm sure there'll be more packs in the future.

@ultimate-powa woah woah woah hold your horses im saying that ive never experienced it myself and ive bought everything from both months so im not forcing to bring me witnesses and you dont have to prove me anything and ive seen your links, and i was wrong but it dosent change much.
And yes they are time limited, so?
so are the ships it makes sense.

@galactic-geek said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

At least you guys are able to buy your ancient coins and find your ancient skeletons. I can't do either.

I had issues buying ancient coins as has been well documented here on these forums, and now every time I try, it's telling me that I already own them! Really, Rare!? How do you get repeat business with crud like that? I'm already talking to support, but they're so slow that I worry that I might miss my chance to get the new emotes and ship set.

And don't get me started on them dang skellies - at this rate, I'm more likely to find the shrouded ghost...

That's unfortunate man, sorry to hear that.

@rogerwabbit85 said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

First of all as other people have said it's not pay to win.

Yes, and I've explained why they are wrong.

Does it suck for people who can't afford the cosmetics,sure. But they need to generate money to fund the ongoing build of the game which everybody benefits from. plus they added ancient skellys in so people have a chance to get coins, they didn't have to do that.

I'm not talking about people who can't afford cosmetics, that's irrelevant.
It's about the flow of the game.
If people can just buy everything they want then it becomes pointless to keep playing.
It' removes the incentive that they've spent so long and hard trying to develop.

I will say though, that if they kept it to things like the Bear and the Bird, or a Master Chief outfit, that would not be the same as those are fun/cameo outfits.

@faceyourdemon said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

@ultimate-powa woah woah woah hold your horses im saying that ive never experienced it myself and ive bought everything from both months so im not forcing to bring me witnesses and you dont have to prove me anything and ive seen your links, and i was wrong but it dosent change much.
And yes they are time limited, so?
so are the ships it makes sense.

The ships are not time limited, I'm looking at it now.
And only one of those packages is time limited.
If the ships were time limited and could be earned with doubloons as well, I'd be okay with that personally.

It's about an issue of principle.
There's a fine line when it comes to fair microtransactions and P2W, and at the moment, it would seem Sea of Thieves is tip toeing ever so slowly over that line.

@ultimate-powa They are timed limited Joe Neate said that in one of weekly updates not monthly but at some point will remove them and let us know before.
Doubloons are a whole diffrent thing they dont earn monkey from them XD
Look, its reality games are much more expensive to make and maintain and RARE are being open and honest with us so im going to support them as long as they keep it very soft microsransaction like now.

@ultmateragnarok said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

@ultimate-powa

The ship skins they are putting into it seem to be ones referencing other games. Things like the spartan set would have gone into it had it existed at the time, for instance.

Well I would like to believe that, however the Cutthroat Ship Bundle seems to have no obvious counterpart.
If you could point it out to me, I would appreciate it.

@faceyourdemon said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

@ultimate-powa They are timed limited Joe Neate said that in one of weekly updates not monthly but at some point will remove them and let us know before.
Doubloons are a whole diffrent thing they dont earn monkey from them XD
Look, its reality games are much more expensive to make and maintain and RARE are being open and honest with us so im going to support them as long as they keep it very soft microsransaction like now.

If that were the case they would be marked as time limited in the shop.
Alas they are not.
$25-$40 for a ship set is not soft microtransactions.
The point of them adding in an alternative way for people to earn said things is to remove the pay2win/pay2progress aspect of it.
Albeit, if they do it wrong, the pay2win situation becomes far worse.

@schwammlgott said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

@ultimate-powa you got a weird thinking of what pay2win is...or pay2progress whatever...

Pay2win is, when you pay real money to get an advantage...in this game something like an advantage is ONLY possible to get ingame by grabbing more supplies and more CCB...and the skill of each person...nothing of that is buyable...
Pay2progress...would be if you pay for levels or for cosmetics that are locked behind levels or commendation or PL...
"But you can get those coins ingame by killing those ancient skellies"...you must be the RNG-god to find that many of them to buy higher valued stuff...

I was waiting for this post, thank you.

Win;
noun: win; plural noun: wins
a successful result in a contest, conflict, bet, or other endeavor; a victory.

If your objective is to collect all the cool skins in the game, rather than to kill people, then by definition, adding in collectable ship items to the shops makes the game pay2win.
I will say it's the softest pay2win I've ever seen, and it's arguable if it even is due to the nature of how the game defines winning.
If I can circumvent the natural progression in any way through the shop, the game has become pay 2 win.

Things like glowing sails for instance has been a hallmark of Athena's 7+ and Golden Pirate Legends.
Now you can pay $40 and have your very own glowing sails!
It ruins the progression of the game.

@needsmokes said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

I have loved the look of both ships for sale so far, but have purchased neither of them. And I never will at the price they list them for.
Totally ludicrous pricing, and I will not encourage it further by paying those prices.
I would happily pay for content, but not cosmetics.

I fully agree man. The skins look amazing but the prices are just outright robbery.
In their defense, the reason they don't charge for content is so that players aren't restricted from playing with one another.

A way around this could be to add a subscription of sorts, and those that pay the subscription ($5 a month or something) get access to the brand new updates a week in advance.
Because lets be real, the price you pay for when a game is released is for the ability to play it then, not 3 years down the road.

However, as you said, what they are doing now is ludicrous.

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A better way to go about selling these custimizations is to make them time limited, have a corresponding commendation to unlock, then price them at $5-$15.
The commendation wouldn't be too hard, just hard enough it requires player investment.
For the suped-up figurehead and sails, price those at $5 each, and have a slightly harder commendation that is required to purchase those.

@inboundbomb said in Pirate Emporium Thoughts:

@ultimate-powa The cutthroat ship design is based on Rare’s game called Killer Instinct. A fighting game.

Ahhh thank you.

That makes more sense.
Then in that case, I'm personally okay with that set and it's pricing.

However I feel there should still be some ingame commendation required before being able to purchase (or use) said set.
They should also indicate what game it's in reference to on the store itself.