Fix Boarding NOW

@captain-coel said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon lol watch the ladders and be ready. boarding is part of the game.

Dude no, lol get better at PvP in a sailing game. Boarding is ruining the OTHER aspects of the game.

After like 150 hours i have barely shot cannons once. It's all boarding parties

This isn't a thread about "How do i deal with boarders".

It's about how boarding is wrecking ALL OTHER ASPECTS of the game.

PvP is 95% boarding right now, boring as SH**

Understand?

Boarding is BORING

@kommodoreyenser said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon it’s all about each players perspective. A 20 minute naval battle deciding who has the most planks or who can run away for an hour+ and make you bored/give up first is boring to me.

95% of the crews my crew encounters are runners, including other reapers. I have had brigs and duo sloop crews run from me as a solo sloop. I have had galleons approach my duo sloop and run once they realize they are getting their butt handed to them.

You know the quickest way to end a fight with these types? Board, anchor, and keep them busy while my team mate cannons them.

That's because boarding is easy as trash.

I think the attrition naval battles are BETTER, but there's a solution to making them not take an hour.

Make tier 3 holes permanent.

Once you hit the same hole 3 times and it's fixed, it's always a tier 3 hole when re-opened.

The problem with boarding is it is TOO easy, and can easily be solved by making it harder when UNDER SAIL and high waves.

Boom.

These two solutions create much better more dynamic pvp.

I think people run because the PvP is really just not any fun in this game. People like FuzzyBond make it look amazing, but you have to work exceptionally hard to do it, because 95% of the time you'll get 2 or 3 boarders, your hit-reg will be bad, and they'll luckily just anchor you while you literally blunderbuss them point blank in the back, after shooting them point blank on the ladder.

Which is what happened to me just before I wrote this thread. LOL.

Shooting someone with a blunderbuss, at point blank while on the ladder, only to get anchored while shooting them point blank again...is PATHETIC.

Hit-Reg itself is a whole issue, but not worth discussing.

You want to know how BORING PvP actually can get in this game?

I'm having MORE fun seeing how much gold worth of fish I can stuff into my barrels on my ship...

@kommodoreyenser said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon I also agree I think the bigger issue that peeves you and most is the hit reg for ALL weapons, not just one. I have been robbed by sword, sniper, blunder, and even blunder bomb hit reg.

Chain shot at times is still spotty on masts. Sometimes I get no sound or visual cue, and their mast falls. Others I see and hear it hit, and nothing.

You're probably right. The hit reg literally cost me 45 min of bumbling around. So now I can imagine how bad it is for people who actually do want to PvE.

See for me I know it's the hit reg. Cuz I've also gotten normal hit reg. I've also benefited from bad hit reg. Like that time I killed a galleon crew solo not once....but 2x. That's 8 kills solo just swinging a sword and blundering. Nuts.

But for a PvE'er all they will know is they do what they are told. Blunderbomb or blunderbuss...and then when it doesnt work they'll just feel like they suck and get frustrated.

I still think hole tiers should become permanent.

It will speed up naval battles for sure.

I still think making boarding harder only improves PvP not hinders it.

@kommodoreyenser said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon the problem is when you have a good crew you are trying to board, it is actually a exercise of frustration. Most times you won’t get up the ladder and the times you do, by the time you anchor, you will likely die.

The issue is you are describing is because most crews are absolutely terrible when it comes to situational awareness and cohesion as a team. You essentially want to give them a handicap by eliminating something they need to keep eyes and ears out for.

They'll still need eyes and ears but here's the thing.

It makes you have to disable their ship first. ORRR. Board a more realistic way. Harpoon and cross over.

It's a game but it's still ridiculous how easy it is to cannon into a ship path and just grab the ladder.

I've been told you can throw a blunderbomb on inside wall but I've never tried that personally. That would be simplest way to knock off ladder if it hit regs lol

Harder for solo'ers given the hit reg issues.

@cotu42 said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@captain-coel said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon lol watch the ladders and be ready. boarding is part of the game.

Dude no, lol get better at PvP in a sailing game. Boarding is ruining the OTHER aspects of the game.

After like 150 hours i have barely shot cannons once. It's all boarding parties

No... you make it about boarding parties. When I decide I want a cannon fight I get it... simply choose to shoot a cannon if you feel like that type of fight and simply guard your ladders. A good crew is super hard to board by ladder without decent cover fire from cannons.

If you find an activity boring, change it up... adapt and create the type of battle you want. It sounds like you want to force people to play a specific way, while you have the tools to do so yourself.

Ugh no. Dude.

If you are in cannon range you're in boarding range. And the ships arent maneuverable enough to get out of the way of a boarder.

The only time my crews dont catch a ladder is they overshot,under shot, or shot behind.

Never because the enemy ship maneuvered.

Hell....in WW2 ships were dodging dive bombers.

You dont think they can't dodge some stupid swimmer?

@wagstr said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon

No. You're angry by admission and haven't thought this through properly.. There are many ways people play this game..

For a solo sloop being hounded by a larger crew, dropping of the back and boarding can sometimes make the difference...

Sometimes you fall off your own ship for gods sake...

Start using your ears, eyes and wits and guard your ladders.

Dude no. Make the game better.

That simple.

Making it more difficult to grab a ladder IMPROVES the game.

Quantifiable

All I hear from people here except @KommodoreYenser is that everyone wants an easy board.

That says more about you than me.

@wagstr said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@wagstr said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon

No. You're angry by admission and haven't thought this through properly.. There are many ways people play this game..

For a solo sloop being hounded by a larger crew, dropping of the back and boarding can sometimes make the difference...

Sometimes you fall off your own ship for gods sake...

Start using your ears, eyes and wits and guard your ladders.

Dude no. Make the game better.

That simple.

Making it more difficult to grab a ladder IMPROVES the game.

Quantifiable

In yer own mind maybe laddie..

Lol no.

The literal fact you beg, weakly, for boarding to stay so easy, says EVERYTHING about your pvp ability.

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@idneon said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@cotu42 said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@captain-coel said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon lol watch the ladders and be ready. boarding is part of the game.

Dude no, lol get better at PvP in a sailing game. Boarding is ruining the OTHER aspects of the game.

After like 150 hours i have barely shot cannons once. It's all boarding parties

No... you make it about boarding parties. When I decide I want a cannon fight I get it... simply choose to shoot a cannon if you feel like that type of fight and simply guard your ladders. A good crew is super hard to board by ladder without decent cover fire from cannons.

If you find an activity boring, change it up... adapt and create the type of battle you want. It sounds like you want to force people to play a specific way, while you have the tools to do so yourself.

Ugh no. Dude.

If you are in cannon range you're in boarding range. And the ships arent maneuverable enough to get out of the way of a boarder.

The only time my crews dont catch a ladder is they overshot,under shot, or shot behind.

Never because the enemy ship maneuvered.

Hell....in WW2 ships were dodging dive bombers.

You dont think they can't dodge some stupid swimmer?

Go play some solo combat and tell me how I cannot dodge people trying to board my ship... learn to guard your ladders and learn naval positioning.

Because yes... yes you can dodge boarders perfectly fine.

In a sloop sure..a worthless ship. If you dodge in anything else it's because they missed. Lol.

Sloop is the most boring ship. It's too slow to do anything in a reasonable time. I dont even solo a sloop.

I'd rather not spend half my game going from one island to the next.

@wagstr said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@wagstr said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@wagstr said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon

No. You're angry by admission and haven't thought this through properly.. There are many ways people play this game..

For a solo sloop being hounded by a larger crew, dropping of the back and boarding can sometimes make the difference...

Sometimes you fall off your own ship for gods sake...

Start using your ears, eyes and wits and guard your ladders.

Dude no. Make the game better.

That simple.

Making it more difficult to grab a ladder IMPROVES the game.

Quantifiable

In yer own mind maybe laddie..

Lol no.

The literal fact you beg, weakly, for boarding to stay so easy, says EVERYTHING about your pvp ability.

If you like lol.. Would hate to meet you down a dark alley with a mouse in yer hand..

The fact you cry for people not being able to board says as much about your own sailing ability... Can't accept people having different opinions eh?

Bahahaha. I out rank you dude. People actually LOOK for me in LFC because they know how f---ing good I sail. And I get random team invites all the time while online.

I'm right. And my suggestion is right.

It's not an opinion.

It's too easy to board

It RUINS the game for EVERYONE ELSE.

You think you're ruining my game? No.

@wagstr said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon

Out rank exactly what? I'm curious..

Gold per hour in pvp adventure.

Lol the ONLY measurement there is. Everything else is just hearsay.

As for me...you seem to confuse me with some PVE'er who wants PvP to go away.

I point you to my Kamikaze thread.

I'm probably a more hardcore pvper than you who will make you beg to get off whatever server I'm on 😏

I dont bother to pvp for loot anymore. I just do it for the trolls.

@nabberwar said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon

But for a PvE'er all they will know is they do what they are told. Blunderbomb or blunderbuss...and then when it doesnt work they'll just feel like they suck and get frustrated.

Yeah, of course they will feel that way, but that doesn't mean the game is required to change. Players that choose to not learn and repeat the same thing over and over again will stagnate. Just because there is the type of players that simply "Can't" doesn't mean the game needs to change just so they can.

Others have said it already, those players who get steam rolled by boarding are not cohesive crews. The better crews in this game don't get remotely boarded as much as they do. I find it interesting you are acting as if its a crutch for us, and for some reason you got it in your mind that is the only reason why we are disagreeing here. Kommodor put it nicely, removing boarding isn't the answer. If you want to get more from ship combat, then the game needs to support it by adding nerfs to repairs and bailing.

If I were to put it extra bluntly, the PvE players are beyond help if they refuse to actually learn the game to get better at it. A game shouldn't have to adapt to players who refuse to learn it.

What are you on about?

The game DOES need to change.

It's TOO easy to board, making almost all PvP reduced to boarding.

How are you literally arguing this fact? Its 95% of all engagements.

One of the reasons my friends and I just switched to Kamikaze pvp is because we hate the boarding and anti boarding and you literally cannot conduct continuous cannon fire and long shots if you just sail around.

The fight matures into boarding parties and chase sequences and you spend all your damned time doing that with a FEW shots in between.

We much rather just come over and do cannon shooting. If you repel a board fine.

But after 2 or 3 attempts the hit reg will favor them and they will anchor you.

I am not in it for loot so I never have chests to pile onto my anchor which does work by the way.

@cotu42 said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon

On a brigantine and galleon you have 3 or 4 people yet aren't able to guard your ladders? I was on an open crew brigantine a couple of days ago and we even managed to avoid being anchored by boarders. It is funny you are making fun about other peoples pvp abilities while you're here complaining about your inability to defend your ladders. A good crew of these sizes won't have issues with boarders as they have the man power to simply deal with it. Additionally, usually on a brigantine you can either avoid them or predict perfectly when they will hit that ladder... which should be more than enough information to have a team mate deal with them.

You claim you are so good people look for you in the LFC section because how good you sail... yet here you are, complaining that you cannot control the type of battle you are engaged in. It is only to easy to board if the defending party isn't that good, as the counter to boarding is also easy. If your goal is to keep your people on board and a naval battle, there is literally no reason that boarders would cause you any difficulties and them trying to board you should actually give you the advantage out on the seas due to them being undermanned in comparison.

A sloop is not a worthless ship, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad. Frankly a duo sloop is one of the most powerful ships you can come across, but hey... worthless. Also it is one of the most used vessels among the PvE, casuals and solos... weren't those the ones you were looking out for?

Powerful yes. Slow as dirt tho. Useless to me. Useless in pvp because it cant catch anything.

The enemy has to be ignorant to be caught by a sloop.

@cotu42 said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@cotu42 said in Fix Boarding NOW:

@idneon

On a brigantine and galleon you have 3 or 4 people yet aren't able to guard your ladders? I was on an open crew brigantine a couple of days ago and we even managed to avoid being anchored by boarders. It is funny you are making fun about other peoples pvp abilities while you're here complaining about your inability to defend your ladders. A good crew of these sizes won't have issues with boarders as they have the man power to simply deal with it. Additionally, usually on a brigantine you can either avoid them or predict perfectly when they will hit that ladder... which should be more than enough information to have a team mate deal with them.

You claim you are so good people look for you in the LFC section because how good you sail... yet here you are, complaining that you cannot control the type of battle you are engaged in. It is only to easy to board if the defending party isn't that good, as the counter to boarding is also easy. If your goal is to keep your people on board and a naval battle, there is literally no reason that boarders would cause you any difficulties and them trying to board you should actually give you the advantage out on the seas due to them being undermanned in comparison.

A sloop is not a worthless ship, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad. Frankly a duo sloop is one of the most powerful ships you can come across, but hey... worthless. Also it is one of the most used vessels among the PvE, casuals and solos... weren't those the ones you were looking out for?

Powerful yes. Slow as dirt tho. Useless to me. Useless in pvp because it cant catch anything.

The enemy has to be ignorant to be caught by a sloop.

I have most likely a couple hundred hours as a solo on a sloop, I have a tiny bit of an idea that I have a better idea of what the ship is capable of than you. If you cannot catch targets as a sloop you have a wrong approach - there is a window there and some limitations but it really isn't that difficult and you are underestimated all the time.

Funny that you know so much about the sloop while you yourself claim that you don't use it. Btw a ship cannot be powerful and useless in PvP, those things are kind of related... but have fun on your solo brigantine failing at repelling boarders and sinking, while telling me that my preferred solo ship is worthless while I hand in my loot and win battles.

The solo sloop was what I began with.

I think you can tell Im not patient.

It absolutely cannot compete for speed.

Brig is the best all around ship for speed.

If I wanted those amazing long games I'd be a tucker.

I LIKE other people doing it. I LIKE you're good with sloop.

It makes the game interesting.

But I find it useless for my blitzkrieg style of play.

The sloop is powerful in that it's hard to sink.

The sloop is useless in pvp because it has ZERO initiative.

You HAVE to rely upon other people's failures.

As Galleon I can choose to come and go at will from a Sloop.