Rebalancing Legendary Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost

  • EliEelEye
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    The mythical Shrouded Ghost has eluded me and many others for years, many of us don't even believe its existence. Having defeated such a creature is a true accomplishment for any sailor out on the seas and the memories from that encounter stay with those pirates forever.

    My only issue with The Shrouded Ghost is the "Legendary Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost" commendation. You need to defeat The Shrouded Ghost five times as a Pirate Legend to complete this commendation. I feel this commendation is going against the spirit of the game for a plethora of reasons. Encountering and defeating The Shrouded Ghost is something that is supposed to be amazing and a true wonder in the Sea of Thieves. The feat itself of defeating the Great White is truly getting devalued by needing to defeat it four more times.

    Encountering The Shrouded Ghost for a second time is a great chance to give up your spot for a friend and strengthen the bonds you have with your crew mates who were not there for the original battle. This would never happen on the seas today because you need to kill it a total of five times as a Pirate Legend. So many opportunities of great interaction with friends and acquaintances go wasted because you need to defeat her more than once. For example, having recently become a Merchant Shipwright, I now offer my spot to fellow sailors for Wood Crate turn-ins - As others have done for me.

    There is a simple solution to this. Make the Legendary Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost a one-graded commendation so that you only need to kill it once as a Pirate Legend to get the title. There is also a simple way to backtrack players who have previously slain the beast as a Pirate Legend just grant them the Title and the complete commendation if they completed Grade I before the rebalancing. Also, I feel slaying the beast as a PL specificially still has value, over the regular hunter title, to show you have put in your time as a pirate first, and didn't just randomly get lucky on your first day.

    I have discussed this with a lot of players some who have slain the Ghost and some who still believe that it's a myth. What we all have agreed on is that slaying the White Whale five times is ridiculous and not an enjoyable commendation.

    I respect the spawn rates of The Shrouded Ghost and do not ask you to change them. What I want is when you finally stand before her and succeed in battle you have completed the challenge and overcome one of the Rarest commendations in the game. And I want your help in starting this community of Legendary Hunters of The Shrouded Ghost, where we can pass on the honor for generations to come.

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  • Dekeita
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    As a Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost, I agree and have no desire to continue hunting Megs to extinction for 4 more ghosts.

  • SatanicNemesis
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    I could get behind this.

    Its not an achievable reward by any stretch. I have yet to get 1, never mind believe I could ever get 5. This commendation does not exist to many many players, its almost like achievements for an online game that has closed its servers.

    Its a reward based on winning the lottery 5 times. I agree with keeping the spawn rate the same. Maybe i will find one in the next 3 years, maybe not. But to actively have a goal in the game for killing 5 is deflating for completionists as there is nothing anyone can do about it.

  • HeatherXDDDD
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    Hey there @EliEelEye!

    @satanicnemesis said in Rebalancing Legendary Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost:

    Its a reward based on winning the lottery 5 times. I agree with keeping the spawn rate the same. Maybe i will find one in the next 3 years, maybe not. But to actively have a goal in the game for killing 5 is deflating for completionists as there is nothing anyone can do about it.

    Because of the statements above, I am entirely on board here! Defeating The Shrouded Ghost is not an accomplishment that should be taken lightly, but that's because of the beast's rarity and not because the player has given countless hours to complete a difficult task. Because of this, players should only have to go through the pain of finding and killing it once. As @satanicnemesis stated, there is nothing anyone can do at all to find The Shrouded Ghost. It is solely based on luck, and that's why the moment is so magical when players do see one because it's truly a once-in-a-game thing, so why is the total kill count set to 5 to complete the commendation?

  • Zyx
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    I read the title and I supposed you was asking to push it back to 50 XD

    I think commendations extremly luck based have no sense, lower requirement to one as are you asking is a good idea to fix part of this Rare mistake.

    I still think some "crazy" requirement to increase Shrouded Ghost spawn in your game session is the best, it will create unique pirate memories of epic adventure with friends, everyone remember how was cool summon and fight the first megalodon and shoruded ghost have to be something similar instead today it's "only" about luck

  • Mr Helden
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    This a good idea

  • WolfManbush
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    I'd put legendary at 3 master at 2 and the regular one at 1

    flows well with how legendary hunter of the sea of thieves is set up

    2 or 3 could happen to someone in their career. Unlikely but could and there needs to be something to chase even if it's a lottery. 3 makes sense to me.

    5 should have the title Legendary Hacker of the Sea of Thieves

  • Dekeita
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    This is also how I would approach future crazy rare things.

    Killing 50 was next level wrong. Like clearly no one was considering the impact of commendations back then. Or what sensible numbers would be.

    But 5 is still to much and not really in the spirit of finding a mythical beast.

    But on the other side of it. No one really even cares about the Box of Wonders that much. Because there's no commendation at all.

    5 to many
    0 to few

    Commendations to get 1 of (whatever crazy rare thing) = Just right.

  • CuteArenaPup
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    He's just mad lmoa

  • WolfManbush
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    @dekeita said in Rebalancing Legendary Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost:

    But on the other side of it. No one really even cares about the Box of Wonders that much. Because there's no commendation at all.

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  • Soul okk
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    Yeah I definitely understand the frustrations you have with this commendation, especially when you are trying to 100% bilge rats or Athenas fortune. But, no one counts these commendations when referring to completing every commendation because:

    1. The commendation isn’t really skill based.

    2. The commendation is super rng heavy

    Even then, the titles don’t say anything but; “I’ve gotten super lucky” and don’t show how good at the game you really are unlike titles like ‘iron sea dog’ for example. Simply because any one can run into the cool white shark on the seas makes it more of an awesome trophy to wear on your character rather then a display of your skills.

    And having it so rare just makes it so much more it’s worth to the community even if half of it don’t think they will never get it at all. I don’t think they should change the commendation numbers nor I don’t think they ever will just because then you have to compensate for the lucky few who already have it 5 times. Sure you could give them overachiever sails but I would honestly feel cheated out if that was me.

    The game should lean towards a more ‘hand holdy’ experience.

  • Dekeita
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    @soulsurvivor386

    If anyone shows up with 5 we can consider what they have to say but I don't think that person exists. And we already have a number of the people with the most hours in the game commenting positively on the idea.

  • UVolTx
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    @elya-pog even if he is, he still has a point. I play this game almost everyday since I remember. All megs types came out and I was already playing the game. Still did not find the ghost.

  • JadeScissors32
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    @satanicnemesis Totally agree, I had been playing for 3 years and no Shrouded ghost. I think I encountered one while solo slooping but skeleton ship spawned on me so I lost that. If that was even shrouded ghost.
    So if I can not get one in 3 years how long it would take to get 5 ?

  • CuteArenaPup
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    @uvoltx It's meant to be like that though... They won't change it, it would ruin the title

  • JadeScissors32
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    @elya-pog That title is meaningless at this point. After 3 years of fighting when I see meg I dont even slow down unless I would see its Shrouded Ghost.
    Also I know some that got shrouded ghost and those people are actually mediocre/new on the other hand I can sail with long timers that are simply insane in the game and none has Shrouded ghost. Its almost like the lower your skill the more chances to encounter shrouded ghost, which seems to be backwards.
    I like to play on open crews, i played with people who were in their 1st or 2nd week and got shrouded.

  • CuteArenaPup
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    @jadescissors32 That doesn't make it meaningless?

  • Kiitamus
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    I agree. At this point, I've given up on one shrouded ghost. Nevermind 5.

  • JadeScissors32
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    @elya-pog said in Rebalancing Legendary Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost:

    @jadescissors32 That doesn't make it meaningless?

    It is meaningless. Its not like its hard to kill meg, so how does Shrouded ghost make this a different experience?
    Its More about luck than anything else.
    I suspect algorithm has changed and new players have better chance of encountering one now. Some people got one 10 minutes after I left their crew.
    Personally at this point I am not even sure if would cared to stop for shrouded ghost even if I did see one. Its one title that has 0 value to me, in fact I think Maiden Voyager has more meaning that Shrouded Ghost titles.

    When it comes to titles this is how I view some of them -
    Maiden Voyager - "I am new here, please have mercy"
    Sailor - "I am a Student Driver be kind"
    Pirate Legend - "I finally figure out the difference between a bucket and cannonball"
    Legendary Sea Dog - "We are going to have fun"
    Triumphant Sea Dog - "F... OFF"

  • Dekeita
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    @jadescissors32 said in Rebalancing Legendary Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost:

    @elya-pog said in Rebalancing Legendary Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost:

    @jadescissors32 That doesn't make it meaningless?

    I suspect algorithm has changed and new players have better chance of encountering one now.

    I highly doubt this is true. Rare wouldn't be that sadistic

    Some people got one 10 minutes after I left their crew.

    The salt factor of this is certainly one aspect of why I support the post though.

    As to the general sentiment of the meaning behind the title as is, I think I'm gonna write a longer thing about that later.

  • JadeScissors32
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    @dekeita Maybe its not true but evidence even so anecdotal does support that. As @WolfManbush pointed out in another thread. It seems streamers and new people are getting Shrouded but day one people have not encountered one in 3 years ?
    Kinda fishy if you ask me.
    Again I have seen streamers getting one and I have seen new crews getting one after I left the session.
    Maybe all that is big coincidence but I know there are no coincidence when it comes to code. Either something is programmed or its not.
    If somebody had sailed 28 mln miles by sheer statistic should have gotten multiple SG by now because they were in the game for so long that they would have seen one.

    PS main reason why I think this title is meaningless is because originally I thought this title would mean that somebody has so many hours of playtime to encounter not one but 5 Shrouded Ghosts. Now seeing how new people get one but Day one people did not see one, I don't see how this title has any meaning.

  • Dekeita
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    @jadescissors32 Just trust me on this. That's not the issue.

    As to the Question of there being value in keeping it at 5 because of the rarity and meaning behind it.

    The issue to me is, like there's no way a normal crew is ever going to get it. Even an insanely dedicated one.

    I'm all for hearing the opinions of people that have 2+ and how they got that. But realistically there's only going to be 2 ways to ever get Legendary Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost. And that's either being a streamer or otherwise enough people knowing you that want to invite you if they get one. Or doing Meg Fleets via discord alliance groups, for a long long time. And like that can be fun every once in a while. But are either of those things really something Rare wants to encourage?

    Why would this of all things be suitable for a great flex title. When you can play for years and not even get one. There's plenty of people who would love to have better ways to show off dedication to other aspects of the game. That havent been embraced, for the sake of allowing regular players a chance to stay caught up with everything.

    But does anyone even want to be a crazy Meg hunter guy, enough to want it to be 5 Shrouded Ghosts still. And then have that as their goal. Or is it just something people want cause someday someone's gonna randomly end up with 5 or get invited to 5. Is that really gonna be much of a story, worth the negative aspects of it?

    Personally I would rather have a title for killing a thousand of any Meg. That's a good flex. And then 2500 and 5000 etc. The jump in rarity from the Ancient Terror to the Shrouded Ghost. And for that matter from 1 to 5 Shrouded Ghosts is just absurd. There could end up being people who have dedicated thousands of hours to Megs alone and not have any ability to show that in game. Till they someday get that 5th Ghost. Which could still be thousands of hours away, even at 4.

  • CoffeeLight5545
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    The original amount was 50 shrouded ghosts in order to get the title. I’m glad it was reduced to 5 but even 5 is too much.

    Personally, I feel the shrouded ghost should spawn more frequently after killing 50 of all the other megs.

    This meg is just a remake of Moby Dic and captain Ahab who hunted the white whale. Captain Ahab found the whale after hunting the beast but was ultimately destroyed by his obsession. Anyone willing to put in the effort should be rewarded. It shouldn’t be left to dump luck.

    Unfortunately, the shrouded ghost has been in the game too long so it won’t be changed. The number of times killing the ghost should be reduced

  • Stundorn
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    when i have a 2nd on my counter i may to start bothering about it.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752092125708943371/800834743846436904/image0.png

    2 years ago
    https://www.seaofthieves.com/de/community/forums/topic/93005/a-ghost-revealed/1

  • captainstab1n
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    It should have never been a commendation in the first place... should have been like the wonderous secrets

  • captainstab1n
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    @satanicnemesis
    Spot on we are like at 30 mill meters sailed and haven't seen it

  • Zyx
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    @soulsurvivor386

    Feel cheated? They lowered all commendations years ago, they lowered requirement for overachiever sails, they lowered requirement for xbox achievements, why shrouded ghost commendation deserve different treatment?

    Please don't trigger me with this argument XD

  • KlutchxKay
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    @elieeleye I like the idea of reducing it to one. But, I think that those who do find one should have a reason to kill the next other than, well... a flex. How about this idea: Every time you kill the Shrouded Ghost, whether you have the Commendations or not, you should get a 2,500 ancient coins, or maybe 5,000,000-10,000,000 gold... A large, repeatable reward of some type to make it valuable to kill beyond the first kill, and maybe track how many you've killed on the Forums, so those fortunate to find it multiple times can at least have their credit.

  • Chronodusk
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    @elieeleye

    As long as they don't increase the spawn rate, that sounds cool. I can't imagine that anyone has ever seen it more than twice...

  • captainstab1n
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    @zyx
    I thought only the banana creates getting lowered would trigger you

  • JadeScissors32
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    @dekeita I think bad spawn rate is the issue. If truly Shrouded Ghost has been as Random as it was claimed than people who played for 3 years would have 5 of them already.
    If I had not seen brand new people get one I may have more respect to the title itself but at this point I know that title means absolutely nothing and its just "Get Lucky" Title. Rare could change requirements to whatever they want still ultimately this title has been rendered useless. And if I was looking for "get Lucky" title I would look for Birth certificate with me as father. Now that is ultimate "get lucky" title.

    Also shrouded ghost titles are not flex titles. Ultimate Flex title in this game is Triumphant Sea Dog, followed by Glorious Sea Dog, and Legendary Sea Dog.
    Why ? because none of those 3 titles can be achieved by farming, They all are achieved by hard work whoever wears them.
    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/seaofthieves_gamepedia/images/e/e9/Triumphant_Sea_Dog_Set_Jacket.png

  • Stundorn
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    @jadescissors32 sagte in Rebalancing Legendary Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost:

    Ultimate Flex title in this game is Triumphant Sea Dog, followed by Glorious Sea Dog, and Legendary Sea Dog.
    Why ? because none of those 3 titles can be achieved by farming, They all are achieved by hard work whoever wears them.
    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/seaofthieves_gamepedia/images/e/e9/Triumphant_Sea_Dog_Set_Jacket.png

    people have farmed this in premade lobbies and people have cheesed it with easy spawnkills and TDMing, sorry no flex either.

  • JadeScissors32
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    @stundorn said in Rebalancing Legendary Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost:

    @jadescissors32 sagte in Rebalancing Legendary Hunter of The Shrouded Ghost:

    Ultimate Flex title in this game is Triumphant Sea Dog, followed by Glorious Sea Dog, and Legendary Sea Dog.
    Why ? because none of those 3 titles can be achieved by farming, They all are achieved by hard work whoever wears them.
    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/seaofthieves_gamepedia/images/e/e9/Triumphant_Sea_Dog_Set_Jacket.png

    people have farmed this in premade lobbies and people have cheesed it with easy spawnkills and TDMing, sorry no flex either.

    unlike Adventure There are no pre-made lobbies in Arena, no way to get one. If this was possibility we would have them for TDM don't you think people have tried. Why do you think people are asking for TDM mode.
    So No no way to cheese it. I had seen people trying to cheese kills but even if they got couple in a round that is still a fraction what is needed.

    Just to give idea:
    One requirement is to kill total of 1400 players with various weapons. Even if you manage to kill 5 (by playing galleon) in every 15 minute round, thats 280 rounds

  • captainstab1n
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    @jadescissors32
    I've been in arena lobbies where we have had 4 out of 5 sloops

  • JadeScissors32
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    @captainstab1n There are some lucky times when 4th is random crew that wants to join on fun. Otherwise 2-3 is max. and that's on days when arena is almost empty so we all ending up on the same servers together.

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