Sail Cutouts - Additional Customization

  • It would be a nice addition to see the ability to pay the shipwright to cut your sails like the Dark Adventurer Sails or to add tatters ect. As is the DA sails provide a very useful bonus in visibility but at the sacrifice of using any other sail customization. It would be nice to see the ability to pay the shipwright a similar price to add cutouts to any other sail types for captained ships. This would both add a gold sink at the same time as adding a little bit more variety to the customization that we see while sailing.

    Edit: I just want brigs to be 2% less annoying to be on-

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  • Another “DA sails provide a bonus” post when the devs and deckhands have all said they do not provide a bonus and are not pay to win. The sails are designed in a way to make you come off the wheel or communicate with your crew. What you’re asking for isn’t going to change and you’re not the first to ask about it. Sorry.

  • As is the DA sails provide a very useful bonus in visibility

    I can get the SAME useful bonus using any sails I wish. 2 ways

    1. Have crew mate be my eyes
    2. curl the sails a little bit.

    No need to pay extra or millions for sails that are ugly.

  • Get the "advantage" or use something you actually like.

    Occasionally choices must be made.

  • You get a yes vote from me because it doesn't bother me if people get a convenience cut either through a feature or just more options

    and most importantly because you didn't approach it from the combat advantage angle which bugs me as a basis for the request.

    I do think people should just use what they want, it's a visibility perk but it's really not that big of a deal, I don't use them, a lot of the people I battle don't use them, lots of skilled pvpers don't use them. It's not super necessary when pve grinding. Just use what y'all wanna use, it's not a big thing.

  • More customisation is always good, not sure why there's such a negative response.

  • @tesiccl This is not me complaining about DA sails providing a bonus. Having DA is just quality of life by not having a sail in your face This is more me suggesting the idea to let other sails do something similar. I don't even really use DA I'm just tired of them being the only sails you see in hourglass. Only here about more variety and customization to the seas.

    "devs and deckhands have all said they do not provide a bonus and are not pay to win." They don't know you like that bro its okay.

  • @pithyrumble said in Sail Cutouts - Additional Customization:

    Get the "advantage" or use something you actually like.

    Occasionally choices must be made.

    This is a suggestion page. I'm suggesting a way to make the 'choices' not have to be made.

    I don't see the issue here? Would it not be sick to have any sail with any of the other types of cutouts on it? It's just customization...

  • @mferr11 said in Sail Cutouts - Additional Customization:

    More customisation is always good, not sure why there's such a negative response.

    Some deny it is useful so no change is needed, some are pixel macho and some say no to all changes :)

  • @mrcolin7377 whatever helps you sleep, nothing will change though ;)

  • This is one of the topics I don't understand any sort of strong opposition on especially 5 years in when the environment is significantly different than when they were added

    If rare were to add this or something to serve a similar request are people going to take a stand against it lol?

    of course not

    People will largely praise Rare for it and there will be very little criticism of it if it were to become a thing.

    It's not some big topic about principles, it's just design talk lol

  • I don't think it will happen with the way they've designed the game and the sails, and the current output capabilities of the art team, but I wouldn't care if it did.

  • @foambreaker said in Sail Cutouts - Additional Customization:

    @mferr11 said in Sail Cutouts - Additional Customization:

    More customisation is always good, not sure why there's such a negative response.

    Some deny it is useful so no change is needed, some are pixel macho and some say no to all changes :)

    Some see the design as a choice from the devs.

    Eat your cake or stare at it. Shouldn't get both.

    Bad sailors need the cut.

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  • My main concern is that I’m going to have to equip this cutout always, every single session, every time I play with new people because I already have to argue with people about what sails I use. If the cutout is something i can just put on anything then there’s truly no reason not to use it other than preference. I’ll have to equip it on every ship and every single ship will have the cutout. I feel like DA sails have had a recent decline in popularity and i’d like to see that continue instead of promoting the idea and pushing to orher sails too

  • @musicmee said in Sail Cutouts - Additional Customization:

    @Tesiccl and @toggledeez

    Ahoy, both!

    I have deleted your posts above, can we please remember to be respectful when discussing and debating with each other as per our Forum Rules.

    Many thanks
    The real forum king

    First, I respect you, by comparison to some other mods for having the decency to actually post about what you do.

  • @lormiun Cheers matey! 🖤

    Just here trying to keep the discussions going and respectful... I love this game as much as you lot and want everyone's voices to be heard.

  • This is a suggestion for something that could be cool on larger scale implementation. Not only could you be able to choose this cutout and a bunch of other cuts or shapes for your sail skins, but you can extend it to stuff like barnacles on your ship, different lights, and many other things that change the look of your ship without applying another skin.

  • @tesiccl said in Sail Cutouts - Additional Customization:

    Another “DA sails provide a bonus” post when the devs and deckhands have all said they do not provide a bonus and are not pay to win. The sails are designed in a way to make you come off the wheel or communicate with your crew. What you’re asking for isn’t going to change and you’re not the first to ask about it. Sorry.

    Mods ... you KNOW I am right!
    So:

    Behold, another DA-Post this is, just as I predicted, (who knows how many I have missed).
    Little surprise there?
    Is it really that hard to face the issue instead of continuously denying it?
    YES, there is a DA-Meta. YES, something should be done about it!
    NO, just ask your crew, is nothing but an insult to our intelligence and YES, so is the sacred "curl" and or methadone-sails like the kraken-sails.

    And let me let you in on a little secret (🤫 Small as it is, it DOES also provide a combat advantage, that is why around half of the ships I meet in HG use them)
    So PLEASE. Link me to where "devs and deckhands" have ever CLEARLY said such a thing, but I bet you won't ever 🧐

    PS: I prefer to face my issues instead of blocking them out. A wisdom that has seldom disappointed me so far.

  • @lormiun no I won’t be linking you to anything, it was a response from one of the deckhands a few weeks ago on another post, I don’t remember which and I didn’t bookmark it either, maybe I should have cause of responses like yours, but they stated that the cutout was not an issue and if it were they would have fixed it by now. It offers a slight sight advantage no more than creating a wave allows you to see under your sail does, that’s all. People act like it’s this massive pay to win advantage and use that as an excuse to request that all sails be based on this shape, it’s unreasonable and silly to do so.

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  • @tesiccl said in Sail Cutouts - Additional Customization:

    "slight sight advantage no more than creating a wave allows you to see under your sail does, that’s all"

    @mrcolin7377 said in Sail Cutouts - Additional Customization:

    🤔

  • @lormiun no idea what you’re quoting here as it’s not showing up but if it’s some sort of gotcha let me be specific. Slight advantage ≠ bonus.

  • I think the real solution here is to make the brigantine more curved, like a banana.

  • @d3adst1ck a banana boat! XD

  • @tesiccl said in Sail Cutouts - Additional Customization:

    @lormiun no idea what you’re quoting here as it’s not showing up but if it’s some sort of gotcha let me be specific. Slight advantage ≠ bonus.

    Interesting, it really is not showing up for some users. Would like to know why ... mods?
    All I did was to link to a direct picture comparison conveniently posted by OP.

    But no problem, here, have a link to this short. It shows it even better :)

  • @d3adst1ck said in Sail Cutouts - Additional Customization:

    I think the real solution here is to make the brigantine more curved, like a banana.

    LoL, that would actually be so crazy, that it could actually work 😂
    Wonder how this would look for a Galleon 🤣

    And to reply to you too:
    @klutchxking518 I wish I could share your observation about DA-Sails use going back. I have seen the opposite.
    To address your concern about the cut-out being used exclusively (already indirectly the case with DA-Sails):
    Who ever said it would have to be only one form of cut-out :D
    You could have the classic DA-Vcut, you could have a Wave-Cut, you could have a Torn-Cut, whatever the Budget of Rare allows :)
    And it wouldn't have to be just cuts! As mentioned :) Whatever the budget of Rare allows.

  • @lormiun interesting, they describe it as a significant drawback if having to furl the sails yet it offers no speed boost when sails are fully unfurled. I get some people need hyperbole to exaggerate their frustrations with something they don’t quite understand why it’s there in the first place but this is a bit much. It does really sum up the feeling of past, present, and no doubt, future posts about the cut out of these sails, hyperbole.

  • @tesiccl said in Sail Cutouts - Additional Customization:

    @lormiun interesting, they describe it as a significant drawback if having to furl the sails yet it offers no speed boost when sails are fully unfurled. I get some people need hyperbole to exaggerate their frustrations with something they don’t quite understand why it’s there in the first place but this is a bit much. It does really sum up the feeling of past, present, and no doubt, future posts about the cut out of these sails, hyperbole.

    What the hell is this even supposed to mean 😂?
    I guess it is nothing but the usual "just use the curl" response.

    But I am happy to explain once more: The curl is
    A. a speed-disadvantage, already game over right there, maybe slim, but NOT negligible (ever been in a chase?)
    B. an annoyance, you have to constantly keep it in mind and have to demand it of your crews and so on and so on, and you WILL forget about it now and then!
    C. absolutely ugly, it looks like you are too dumb to properly lower your sails 😂, thus undermining the entire point.

  • @lormiun hyperbole = exaggeration. Yes alternative cutout styles would be nice aesthetically, but even in rough seas and generally being on the waves, the DA sails are still a struggle to see under. This is the truth and I know this from using all sorts of sails, including the DA ones. The only time they offer anything advantageous sight wise is in calm still water near islands or shipwrecks.

  • @lormiun said in Sail Cutouts - Additional Customization:

    And it wouldn't have to be just cuts! As mentioned :) Whatever the budget of Rare allows.

    Seems like the budget is $0.

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