spawn camp, bannable?

  • Profanacja
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    Hello, I'm playing solo, I'm ramming my opponent's brigantine. I kill them until they sink the ship themselves. I repair their ship to keep it from sinking. I don't care about their treasures and throw them into the water before their eyes. Pure murder, 100% juice. People call it spawn camp. I'm not toxic, all I say is "good morning," and "sorry," No cheat no trash talk. Most of them call me a cheater and threaten me with a ban. My question is, can I be banned for such a thing? I would like to make things clear because opinions are divided. They do not have to play with me in the sandbox, they can take their toys and go somewhere else (scuttle)? Cheers.

    ps. And yes, I understand that it is quite impolite to force a change of server on others.

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  • JetCookie259645
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    @profanacja

    Yes, repeatedly spawn camping players with no intention of sinking their ship can be reported and the person(s) responsible may be subject to disciplinary action.

    Nobody should be purposefully trying to force another crew to scuttle or leave a server. That’s not cool.

  • WolfManbush
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    Nobody looks good in clips where they are repairing a boat without consent from the other players in a camp scenario.

  • Profanacja
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    @jetcookie259645

    Is it written down somewhere in the rules for using the game? Its pvp,ve game. Clear answer not suppose, maybe someone from rare will answer. A few days ago one of the crew members said that this is not a pvp game but pve and he should go do a dive. has it really come to that?

  • JetCookie259645
    Castaway

    @profanacja

    If your intentions are to make another player feel like they have to quit the game to continue playing because you are repeatedly killing them, rendering them unable to do anything but scuttle or quit then yes, 100% anyone reported and found guilty of behaving in the manner described above may be subject to some form of disciplinary action.

    Don’t do that.

    You can sink other crew’s ships and kill players who are trying to keep their ship afloat. That’s perfectly fine.

    Do not try to ruin the game for other people.

  • WolfManbush
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    @profanacja said in spawn camp, bannable?:

    @jetcookie259645

    Is it written down somewhere in the rules for using the game? Its pvp,ve game. Clear answer not suppose, maybe someone from rare will answer. A few days ago one of the crew members said that this is not a pvp game but pve and he should go do a dive. has it really come to that?

    Rules are designed to give wiggle room for discretion.

    Necessary in a game that has pvp in a shared environment but doesn't want it to lean into poor behavior outside of gameplay.

    How your conduct appears in a clip is going to have significant impact during that process of discretion

    This is why it's never a good call to repair ships just to camp players when the players aren't requesting it to continue fight opportunities. It never looks good in a report.

  • Look Behind You
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    @profanacja said in spawn camp, bannable?:

    @jetcookie259645

    Is it written down somewhere in the rules for using the game? Its pvp,ve game. Clear answer not suppose, maybe someone from rare will answer. A few days ago one of the crew members said that this is not a pvp game but pve and he should go do a dive. has it really come to that?

    Indeed it is, from Sea of Thieves Pirate Code and Community Code of Conduct:

    NEVER

    Harass, bully, intimidate, threaten or encourage others to do harm. None of these behaviours will be tolerated. Any activity you engage in that is solely designed to target and upset another player or crew constitutes bullying. Repeated activity designed to ruin the experience of another player or crew constitutes harassment. Not only do we take these things very seriously, many law enforcement agencies recognise online abuse as an offence. If necessary, we will report incidents to the relevant authorities to take further action.

  • OtherFanboy
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    @profanacja if you repair your ship to keep from sinking and keep taking them out until their ship finally sinks that's fine and taking their loot or not doesn't matter but I believe if you repair their ship just to spawn camp them over and over pretty sure that can be considered harassment which is bannable doesn't matter if you are polite or not but it's also on the other crew to either scuttle or switch servers if they scuttle and you find them again and repeat then yea that's harassment which again is bannable if you just wanna fight crews then do the hourglass fights but just wiping the floor with another crew over and over just to get your giggles is kinda of a D!ck move

  • Profanacja
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    @jetcookie259645

    What will be the difference between killing them until they surrender and scuttle the ship and sinking it myself. They can choose scuttle and take another adventure or dont scuttle and fight.
    Either way they lose everything. I don't force them to stay with me. I'm not looking for them again.

  • Profanacja
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    @triheadedmonkey

    Harassing, intimidating, threatening or encouraging others to do harm.

    I see none of the above in my behavior.

  • Peteloaf777
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    This player says they aren’t toxic. Hah! Surely you can’t believe that.

  • Profanacja
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    @otherfanboy

    I have a feeling that time makes all the difference in this.
    Everything is ok if the ship sinks fast. A couple of holes 4 min fight, done.
    Fast lose nothing happen, but if i for 20 min show them they loosing its not ok? What if i for 40 min show them losing their mast and dragging anchor and not going to kill anyone is also harassment?

  • Profanacja
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    @peteloaf777

    No I'm not a toxic player, I'm not a brainless slayer of freshmen this is all just an example.

  • JetCookie259645
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    @profanacja

    It’s not hard to understand the rules.

    If you want to spawn camp people you need to be actively trying to sink their ship not repairing it or bucketing it.

    If you are recorded repairing or bucketing to prolong a sink and/or spawn camping other players without attempting to sink their ship your account may be unable to access the seas for a period of time.

    That’s just the way it is.

  • OtherFanboy
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    @profanacja it's about intent why are you attacking them is for loot, supplies, or just hunting ships that's fine but to just prevent others from playing by spawn killing them over and over or just keeping them from moving by just running around dropping anchor or breaking the mast and just wasting their time because you want to wast their time can be considered harassment ....iv boarded ships to take supplies, loot or just to sink them but never to prevent them from playing the game

  • JetCookie259645
    Castaway

    This topic always brings up the total lack of spawn protection in Sea of Thieves combined with a spawn system that is random meaning you can spawn directly in front of an enemy player which gives them a massive advantage on hitting their first shot way before you can.

    Another missing QoL feature that would massively improve the respawn experience in PvP after being boarded by enemy pirates.

    It needs to be implemented fairly meaning if a player is immune they cannot unstow anything, weapon or equipment. The only thing that players can do while immune is quickly reposition themselves, so move, sprint, jump and that’s it before the immunity wanes.

    How long it should last needs to be tested. Make the immunity as short as possible while still ensuring it’s basically impossible to get one blundered the moment you spawn back on your ship.

    Immune players should look and sound different than non-immune players to make it visually and audibly obvious if a player is immune or not up to and including the transition to being non-immune.

    The goal is to make it more about skill and positioning who lands the first shot.

  • HiradC
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    @profanacja you've asked the question and been given the answer, including directly from mods. Why are you so angry that you feel the need to exert control over other players?

  • iCtus XXI
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    The rules are enforced in a way so that spawncamping is very much bannable.

    You could argue that this enforcement of the rules renders the scuttle option useless, as scuttling is specifically designed to escape spawncamps, but stay on the same server and continue your voyage. And therefor the way the rules are enforced right now makes no sense.

    But there’s norhing you can do about it and your opinion doesnt matter if you get recorded and reportet by someome that you camp. Complaining or argued here wont change that.

  • Profanacja
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    @hiradc
    I am not angry. You're missing the point. I don't see any problem or breaking the rules while killing enemies over and over again on their board. I think it's part of the game, because it IS a PVP game. People can't handle losing. This is just an example I am not spawn camping. I don't understand people who report other players for such things! You can't defend yourself, you don't want to give them fun, you don't feel like it, you don't care, just scuttle. Today in the sandbox play bigger boys accept it! From the begining of my game i was camp so many times. I never even think about reporting some one. I just thought they have been playing for a long time and are just good I wrote gg and free way to go. I think the only banable thing in games should be cheating.

    Good luck gentlemen's, if you meet me at sea feel free to spawn camp me as you like ;]

  • OtherFanboy
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    @profanacja right camping other crews can be considered harassment as posted by the forum mod also just because someone camped you and you just moved doesn't mean you can then go do the same and expect everyone else to just then be ok with it too

  • Captain Coel
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    @profanacja said in spawn camp, bannable?:

    @hiradc
    I am not angry. You're missing the point. I don't see any problem or breaking the rules while killing enemies over and over again on their board. I think it's part of the game, because it IS a PVP game. People can't handle losing. This is just an example I am not spawn camping. I don't understand people who report other players for such things! You can't defend yourself, you don't want to give them fun, you don't feel like it, you don't care, just scuttle. Today in the sandbox play bigger boys accept it! From the begining of my game i was camp so many times. I never even think about reporting some one. I just thought they have been playing for a long time and are just good I wrote gg and free way to go. I think the only banable thing in games should be cheating.

    Good luck gentlemen's, if you meet me at sea feel free to spawn camp me as you like ;]

    You don't get. You not seeing a problem doesn't matter. The Devs feel it's a problem and thus you can be banned.

    Simple as that. Good luck getting banned.

  • HiradC
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    @profanacja spawn camping and repairing ship is straight up bullying. There's a difference between I'm being a pirate, I will sink you and take your supplies or loot and I want you to quit the game.
    Just because it's physically possible in the game doesn't mean it is something that should be done. It's still human beings on the side of the other screen.

    I love pvp, it's the best part about this game for me. But it's never personal, win or lose (assuming I don't get abused) I'll offer well played and move on, it's the joy of the battle I like. Wanting to take your anger out on randoms by exerting control over them to the point of trying to get them to quit is just plain toxic behaviour. Not only that but it is actively gatekeeping the community and could lead to demise of the game. Look at arena, all this unwritten etiquette was made to the point a new player is expected to know that spamming I'm on the island means tdm only and if you shoot any ships parked at a Fort then the whole server will spawn camp you. And people wonder why it died...

    I personally don't report for spawn camping, not something that happens often to me and I see it as a challenge to try diff methods of escaping. But the people doing it don't know that, doesn't make the behaviour ok.

  • Look Behind You
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    As the question has been answered but answers ignored, going to be dropping anchor here.

    The matter is ultimately one for Support to decide either way

    Just for the record, Sea of Thieves is NOT 'a PvP game'. It is a PvEvP game (or more accurately, a Shared World Adventure Game).

    Nothing is stopping you from Spawn Camping but Support may take a rather dim view and rule it harassment/bullying, so don't say you weren't informed.

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