Can we please stop the siren song exploit

It is very tiring. You see them hopping like dolphins. I know how to do the exploit myself but I mean... I don't really want to. The main point is the siren song.

I think at this point is should either be a timed event or the server's world event because it really has no engagement it feels like apart from the exploit or as you say checking if anyone is actually doing it.

It is very tiring :/.

I don't know about bans when doing exploits but since they are so well known they really should be fixed at some point. I know the fishing pole did have an attempt at a fix but it seems it is back in full glory.

Finally, there is the issue with the siren song and the burning blade event. It will be very annoying to sink ships as the burning blade just to see their ship respawn within rendering distance (something that happens with an active siren song voyage on that ship).

Anyway as you can understand I lost a chest of fortune today after I think a couple of hours sinking the same ships around it only to lose it at the last second because of two no-regs. Felt salty but I do think those points need to be raised again and again until something is done.

By the way I'm not mad about losing the chest, it's the fact we had won those same crews so many times we were tired at that point seeing them return again and again in extremely small intervals.

What about ships who don’t vote on them and still spawn close enough?

Frankly. I see people always saying they want to see other ships to fight. But the moment they start showing up back to back almost endless. They cry for it to stop.

4 years ago, I would have said something to the effect of: "just spawn camp them."

"They want to PvP? Give them PvP. Let them choose when they are tired of repeatedly coming back."

But that was 4 years ago. And despite how annoying their behavior is, this method would make you the toxic one, and get you a fat yellow or red depending on what side of the bed the support agent woke up on.

Best actual solution I can think of is this:

1] make all SoSS ships re-spawn next to the closest SoSS island and/or ship with a SoSS item (chest/key/skull).

2] Spawn World Events on forts/Islands away from the SoSS islands (or vice versa if a WE is up before a SoSS)

@theblackbellamy said in Can we please stop the siren song exploit:

4 years ago, I would have said something to the effect of: "just spawn camp them."

"They want to PvP? Give them PvP. Let them choose when they are tired of repeatedly coming back."

But that was 4 years ago. And despite how annoying their behavior is, this method would make you the toxic one, and get you a fat yellow or red depending on what side of the bed the support agent woke up on.

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Best actual solution I can think of is this:

1] make all SoSS ships re-spawn next to the closest SoSS island and/or ship with a SoSS item (chest/key/skull).

2] Spawn World Events on forts/Islands away from the SoSS islands (or vice versa if a WE is up before a SoSS)

I 100% agree with this. I really wish they'd make a definitive stance on rules and enforce it for everyone, so players can have a complete understanding on what's allowed, and what isn't. The only way to prevent a ship from coming back over and over and over and over again, is to spawn-camp them, otherwise your resources dwindle and you can't continue to fight back. Wish they'd do what they do in HG, where after a number of sinks, their ship goes to a different server. We had a sloop yesterday come after us 6 times shouting racial and homophobic slurs at us because we kept sinking them.

I agree. It feels very bad to fight the same crews multiple times. Usually you can't even get their supplies and they are back. Horrible design.

Siren Song close spawns should occur only near those crews who also participate in the voyage. If you don't vote, they shouldn't appear near you.

@wolfmanbush said in Can we please stop the siren song exploit:

The effect of the siren song spawns is not good overall for the organic experience and I do think some are using it intentionally for the spawns but I also think a lot of people just vote it up out of habit to see what is happening on the map and might not even fully realize how much they benefit from it.

I'd bet the former out weighs the latter by a wide margin.

The respawn benefits have been advertised and outright condoned by nearly every SOT streamer and partner in the community...and then I see the likes of HitboTC effectively telling his community that if they aren't voting it up for the respawn benefits, they're not playing right...

SoSS either needs an overhaul in its mechanics, or for the content to be retired. It's a built-in in exploit at this point.

It's unbelievably effective if you're doing Fort of the Damned, I usually notice better than average pirates will vote it up just in case they sink, there is no reason not to use it if you want the upper hand. You will always respawn 2-3 blocks away from the fort.

I don't use it because listening to Briggsy yap isn't worth it.

The siren song voyage should only respawn you in world relative to where the objectives for the siren song are, and only if sunk naturally. Some people may crash into a rock to sink to get a bit closer to one of the objectives, but since that will drop any gathered resources they had and leave them with stock, it would probably be fine imo.

@theblackbellamy

4 years ago i thought spawncamping them would have been toxic. now i think its perfectly fine, justified and not toxic at all.

@locke5474677

What I've come to understand after all these years is this:

If someone who wants to fight you keeps bringing their ship back, and you sink them repeatedly, you're nice. 😇

If someone who wants to fight you keeps respawning on their ship, and you kill them repeatedly, you're mean. 👿

@theblackbellamy said in Can we please stop the siren song exploit:

@locke5474677

What I've come to understand after all these years is this:

If someone who wants to fight you keeps bringing their ship back, and you sink them repeatedly, you're nice. 😇

If someone who wants to fight you keeps respawning on their ship, and you kill them repeatedly, you're mean. 👿

It's both hilarious and sad how true this is.

I use this all the time and love it, both as the sinker and the sunk coz more Pvp. But if it has to change having the respawn only occur if the ship has taken damage from another ship/player also doing the call could work but not the total removal. Another option, and my prefered option, is to make the siren song a raid type event.

When the voyage appears on the mast and you vote for it, brigisy appears as normal and gives her rant with a new ending.

"I have to locate the maps to the two halves, I will return to you when I do. This will be your warning to sail your ship to open sea to dive to the first island"

Once at least 3 ships accross the local servers have voted to do the quest, she reappears, gives you the maps. A dive quest appears on the captains table, you vote to dive so you can sell if you neee to. You then sail to open sea and dive to a new empty server along with 2-5 other ships who have signed up for the quest. The ships enter into the world equal distance from each other and the dig ups. Late comers who where selling will emerge between the goals.

This way the respawn exploit is removed, you can reliably get other crews doing this voyage. Also add in a stolen skull commendation to get those who have all their chests done back in.

Can it be considered as an exploit if it's actually how it is designed? People can come after you again and again without voting for the siren skull anyway. It is a terrible design but it is definitely not an exploit.

@d3adst1ck Okay, do you consider diving for a voyage to quickly change server and escape from PvP and not doing the voyage as an exploit?

@d3adst1ck Well, in both scenarios crews are using a bad game mechanic for their favor. In my opinion, either both of them are exploit or both of them are not. You could still dive if you see a ship approaching before they get close ENOUGH and save your supplies. I think both of them are terrible designs but at least they are smaller "exploits" than map launch/dolphin dive whatever it is called, ladder launch or quick swapping. Because in my last 3 examples none of them were intended unlike diving or spawning close. We might agree to disagree because of our own definitions of exploit.