Skeleton Fort Campers (Griefers/Trollers, maybe should look into an in-game report system if there isn't one planned yet.)

@an-ambassador said in Skeleton Fort Campers:

Refer to then Terms of Service and Code of Conduct as it does state that Griefing and Trolling are reportable and bannable offenses, and Rare states that all activity is Subject to the Microsoft Services Agreement and Xbox Code of Conduct.

Okay...

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Also, when you go to report a player, the reasons you can select are:

*Player name or Gamertag: The player's Gamertag or real name is inappropriate.
Cheating: The player used unauthorized modifications or attempted to gain an unfair advantage in multiplayer.
Player picture: The player’s gamer picture is inappropriate.
Voice communication: The player used inappropriate, abusive, or threatening language in voice communications.
Unsporting behavior: The player didn’t show good sportsmanship.
Quitting early: The player frequently quit multiplayer games to avoid losing.

I don't see anything there that explicitly mentions griefing and/or trolling, never mind them being bannable offences, although of course people are encouraged to report bad and abusive behaviour and there may well be consequences to that. If you've got something that does mention it though then please link to it.

But my complaint is of the griefing. As stated before, camping is fine, that's meant to happen, the Dev's account for it and it's an actual Pirate strategy. No complaints on waiting for a ship.

Okay, so you're saying that their actions in game were fine, so your issue is limited solely to what they said in chat.

But, griefing and trolling are reportable offenses on Xbox Live.

Well the only category I could see that might apply is unsporting behaviour as 'we're here to grief' or a variation thereof is hardly inappropriate, abusive, or threatening language. I doubt they'd receive a ban for that though.

Out of interest, did you report them?

And that is what I am referring to in this post, that something needs to be done to stop players from griefing or trolling. As I do not believe it is Rare's intentions for their players to go around admitting they plan on griefing events

Well there are measures in place to stop bad behaviour. You can brig members of your own crew in-game and you can also report players on Xbox Live. What else do you suggest they do that doesn't drastically compromise Rare's vision for the game or duplicate a system that's already in place?

while yelling in a microphone vulgar and even racist things.

Now that is entirely different, is in breach of the terms and definitely should be reported.

And in this case, they did use aspects of the game in unintended ways than what the Dev's wanted. (Yes Dev's want PvP, but you tell me what gaming developer wants people griefing players on their game.)

Given that Rare have repeatedly stated that they relish players coming up with new ways of playing the game that they never even thought of, that's a hard oline to walk. Which aspects of the game specifically (not what they said in chat) were they using that breached the rules above?

I'm not saying that going out of your way to deliberately annoy others isn't a pretty s***y way to behave, but Rare and Microsoft can only police actions, not intentions. You've already said that you have no problem whatsoever with what they were doing in-game, which means that had you not heard them saying 'we're griefing' on an open channel, or had they said they were doing it for some other reason you would have had no issue. And the bottom line is, saying that they're doing something to annoy people isn't an offence in and of itself.

All that said, I do hope you reported them for the vulgar and racist comments. Hopefully action will be taken on that and will also mean you'll be less likely to be put in a session with them in the future.