I'm Done. Enough is enough. Honest review.

  • GunJah104

    Played this game 2-3 days (20h) and already i have seen and done everything. Here is my thought about this game.

    • Lacks content.
    • Repetitive.
    • Only few NPC enemy types. (No NPC merchant ships?! What?! Isn't this suppose to be Pirate game?)
    • No progression.
    • PvP griefing is a big thing in this game (Outpost aren't safe zones which gives impression that developer have no idea what happens in PVE/PVP game).
    • With a group you can complete everything this game has to offer in 3 hours.
    • Very lazy PC port and careless attitude toward PC players.
    • They had 5 stress testing / alphas / betas / And full release is almost identical. JEEZ!
    • 69€ ($86) Wait what? From this? This should be Free to Play in this state. The content to price tag ratio is insanely off on this one. Even worse than No Man Sky.

    It has beautiful water and environment. Art style is funny and spot on. Sailing mechanics are solid, but melee combat is clunky and downright akward. All the items you can buy with in-game currency are cosmetic only. WHY? In the long run there no reason to play this game. You grind same type of quests over and over to earn gold and only thing you can do with it is to buy cosmetic items. Who designed this great idea? Game is backed by Microsoft, so it's hard to believe that they lack money to do this right. Shame on you Rare and Microsoft!

    If this is Microsoft's answer to the lack of exclusives they have to offer, i really don't know what to say, more than PS4 owners are in much better place with: Last of us 2, Ghost of Tsushima, God of War, Spider Man, Detroit: Become Human, Days Gone... (i probably forgot some titles) full games with a lot of content and fully story driven game play. And these are likely coming in 2018.

    How can i get my money back?

    PS. Community management is lazy and won't answer questions and are protective towards "founders" "Pioneers" "Insiders". Great job! Most toxic and introverted community i have been involved in my 30 years of computer gaming.

    The End

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  • Rager82
    Castaway

    It is sad that No man Sky had more content than this game. I agree, and it is also sad that they release this game in this state. Don't they know, first impressions matter the most with gamers? Why release this game in this state?

  • Ser Swag Pants
    Lord
    Insider
    Founder

    @gunjah104 pc isn’t a port. That is all.

  • NoBlackThunder
    Ship Mate
    Founder

    I see allot of your points . And even have to agree with some of them, I dont know though what you mean with the last part ? protective towards people like me? I dont think so honestly, but then again not sure what you mean. When it comes to refund. Only one that can give you a refund is the retailer. For me it was microsoft them self that gave me a refund for now. I will follow the game. I dont expect to fix them all of the issue but in order for me to rebuy the game the griefing issues / PVP needs a solution like privat server option like elite has at least.

    Lack of content .. Maybe but maybe it expands i nthe future ?
    Repetitive ? I am not sure about that point though,. You can do pvp. Catch animals or do riddles with treasure maps. It did not feel to repetitive in the alpha or beta when i played . .but then again it was only a short session but not as short of a time that you had. PC version got beter since the beta. Auto locking as an example in sword fight has been removed and it feels a bit more responsive. and when it comes to price yea i payed like 90$ here.. and that was to expensive for me with a game i cant enjoy with griefers and people just out to kill you so they can kill you . I dont think though this is another no mans sky. That game was allot worse. First of all it had allot of promisses and even had claimend to have multiplayer what it never had. This game even had a beta and people could tell about the core game before it got released. Yes not allot new seems to have been added for now and map feels actually smaller now then in beta ( odd and strange feeling most likely) But i would definitly not go even close to call this another no mans sky

  • GunJah104

    @ser-swag-pants Once again "Pioneer" "Founder" "Insider". Honestly! You have no other argument? "pc isn’t a port" And you base this "fact" on what? Are you an game developer? Do you know C++ or C#? Do you know how code/tune controls in Unreal Engine so that they work smoothly on consoles and on mouse keyboard combinations? Get real! If you payed 69€ from this game and you are happy, you don't know nothing about games. Period!

  • Feuerkrahe
    Captain
    Founder

    @gunjah104 You haven't told us why you think Pioneers, Founders, and Insiders are protected. Protected from what? Also, how is the port lazy? Other than the horrendous sensitivity on the Eye of Reach (which I'm assuming was intentional in order to balance out M+KB vs. controller), there isn't much to be mad about in terms how ports go (even though the PC version isn't technically a port).

  • Gintoki45
    Ship Mate
    Founder

    @ser-swag-pants
    Yea it is, you can tell the from the ui and the button inputs.

  • GunJah104

    I wont answer anymore to any comments. No need to. Just be honest to your self. You live longer. Goodbye and be well!

  • Brigs Maroon

    @gunjah104 said in I'm Done. Enough is enough. Honest review.:

    Played this game 2-3 days (20h) and already i have seen and done everything. Here is my thought about this game.

    • Lacks content.
    • Repetitive.
    • Only few NPC enemy types. (No NPC merchant ships?! What?! Isn't this suppose to be Pirate game?)
    • No progression.
    • PvP griefing is a big thing in this game (Outpost aren't safe zones which gives impression that developer have no idea what happens in PVE/PVP game).
    • With a group you can complete everything this game has to offer in 3 hours.
    • Very lazy PC port and careless attitude toward PC players.
    • They had 5 stress testing / alphas / betas / And full release is almost identical. JEEZ!
    • 69€ ($86) Wait what? From this? This should be Free to Play in this state. The content to price tag ratio is insanely off on this one. Even worse than No Man Sky.

    It has beautiful water and environment. Art style is funny and spot on. Sailing mechanics are solid, but melee combat is clunky and downright akward. All the items you can buy with in-game currency are cosmetic only. WHY? In the long run there no reason to play this game. You grind same type of quests over and over to earn gold and only thing you can do with it is to buy cosmetic items. Who designed this great idea? Game is backed by Microsoft, so it's hard to believe that they lack money to do this right. Shame on you Rare and Microsoft!

    If this is Microsoft's answer to the lack of exclusives they have to offer, i really don't know what to say, more than PS4 owners are in much better place with: Last of us 2, Ghost of Tsushima, God of War, Spider Man, Detroit: Become Human, Days Gone... (i probably forgot some tittles) full games with a lot of content and fully story driven game play. And these are likely coming in 2018.

    How can i get my money back?

    PS. Community management is lazy and won't answer questions and are protective towards "founders" "Pioneers" "Insiders". Great job! Most toxic and introverted community i have been involved in my 30 years of computer gaming.

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    While I don't agree with your overall conclusion of not wanting to play the game, most of your points are valid and you put a lot of time into your post, so I hope other players don't just attack you for wanting to share your opinion of the game.

    For me, I'm really sold on the idea of the game as a journey, not a destination. I think of this game as a perfect setting to set sail with friends, have some good laughs, some successes, some failures, and maybe make a few more pals along the way. So far the game has delivered this to me every single time I've managed to successfully "Set Sail".

    But, I know that my experience is not everyone's experience, and my goals are not everyone's goals, so I can't be surprised when people tally up some of the points you made, or just get "griefed" to frustration, walk away soured from the whole thing, and decide to stop playing entirely.

    So, I'm not here to counter your points, they're pretty valid, and I'm not here to tell you it will all get better with time (because who knows what the future holds), I can only say I'm bummed you didn't like it and that there will be one less canonball-launchin, skelly-slicin, friend (or foe) for me to glimpse on the horizon.

    Best of luck in your endeavors!

  • Vavume

    @ser-swag-pants said in I'm Done. Enough is enough. Honest review.:

    @gunjah104 pc isn’t a port. That is all.

    Need to finish that statement with...

    @gunjah104 said in I'm Done. Enough is enough. Honest review.:

    The End

  • RoosterHome

    Worse than No mans sky, you guys got to be kidding me. That game had nothing at all on launch just endless generated planets that had nothing special on them. No quests, nothing to do, no base building, exploration is boring after 3 planets, the main questline was just stupid and didn't actually achieve you anything of interest.

    Now no mans sky is a decent game because it atleast had an ok foundation to build up from, as does this game.

  • Ser Swag Pants
    Lord
    Insider
    Founder

    @gunjah104 said in I'm Done. Enough is enough. Honest review.:

    @ser-swag-pants Once again "Pioneer" "Founder" "Insider". Honestly! You have no other argument? "pc isn’t a port" And you base this "fact" on what? Are you an game developer? Do you know C++ or C#? Do you know how code/tune controls in Unreal Engine so that they work smoothly on consoles and on mouse keyboard combinations? Get real! If you payed 69€ from this game and you are happy, you don't know nothing about games. Period!

    Those titles, first of which have nothing to do with what you posted, just mean I’ve been following the game for a long time. I’ve stuck with the development I’ve tested builds, so on and so forth. So if you watch ANY of the PC videos through the development of the game, you would learn that PC and Xbox one versions, were in fact built side by side, separately from the ground up. Nothing was ported. I don’t need to be a developer or need coding to do basic research.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but let’s not hastily call people out on the forums for being wrong on the soul fact that they are a “founder/insider/pioneer”

    Sincerely,
    Captain Swag Pants (RitchieSH)

  • ShiftyGob
    Commander
    Insider
    Founder

    @gunjah104

    Well, you do have the right to be wrong.

  • A13XA4D3R
    Marauder
    Insider

    You've done everything? Wait you got level 50 in all 3 companies and are a pirate legend?

  • SamoClarkey
    Marauder
    Insider
    Founder

    Oh really you been a pirate legend and what that in tales, what is all the new quests and reps and new ship??

  • SamoClarkey
    Marauder
    Insider
    Founder

    Worst review agree with about 5%.

  • Feuerkrahe
    Captain
    Founder

    @shisizle I'm not as annoyed about the post as I am about the fact that he refuses to respond or give examples of some of the claims he has made. An example is his claim that Rare is protecting Pioneers, Founders, and Insiders from something, which none of us know about. This leads me to believe he is mistaken or Rare is very good at protecting us.

  • FlowerOfCarnage

    Aside from careless attitude towards PC players I agree with everything. But, Xbox players are the ones who get b***d. Forced cross play = huge disadvantage for everyone on xbox. Developer response = sucks to b you! cross play is, "The VISION". They promised it from the start so they HAVE to cram it down our throats despite the fact that 99% of the xbox playerbase doesn't want it. Except that ONE guy who plays with his PC friends who will be posting shortly....

  • IKI Talon

    @flowerofcarnage That one guy you mentioned his name is AngerIncarnate and yes he was pumped to be able to play with all his friends that know that the PC is the M*********e. Sadly he won't be posting so I'll do it in his stead. With the way the controls in this work they've basically handicapped PC players so they wouldn't have an advantage. Mouse controls when zooming are trash the only advantage I have would be up close in your face shotgun action but in reality the spread is so large that there really isn't much of an advantage there. Trust me I'd love to have full control of my zoom so I could get up in the crows nest and snipe people trying to flee from my crew but alas that is but a pipe dream that will never come true ;-(

  • Omenangel

    You're actually right. This game does lack content, it is repetitive and there's almost no point to playing this game other than just messing around with friends for a good laugh.
    ...but we all knew this from the start.

    What really bothers me though is that Rare took god knows how much content that is already created and ready to go (Like the black shark paint /sails we all saw in the beta) and are holding it hostage behind the soon to come DLC. Thanks for that Rare!

  • WraithShadow13

    i fully agree with a lot of what is said. This game is a complete and utter mess where a lot of common sense things are a problem or just weren't thought out as well as they should have been. To add onto that, i'm on AMD and the game freezes on me every time i'm playing.

    There is a lot of potential here, though, so i want to stick around and keep playing once they manage to get things up and running a little smoother. Hopefully we get an actual character creator at somepoint though, as the IPG is only good on paper and for making random NPCs.

  • Sorenthaz
    Captain
    Insider
    Founder

    @gunjah104 said in I'm Done. Enough is enough. Honest review.:

    Played this game 2-3 days (20h) and already i have seen and done everything. Here is my thought about this game.

    • Lacks content.

    Yep.

    • Repetitive.

    Yep.

    • Only few NPC enemy types. (No NPC merchant ships?! What?! Isn't this suppose to be Pirate game?)

    This is where Rare copped out hard. They claimed that they don't want other ships (no matter how distinguishable they could be) on the sea because they wanted every ship sighting to feel meaningful between players or whatever. That's not how it works whatsoever in the current game because people are inclined to avoid other ships or else chase after them to sink them. . . Making merchant ships, possibly even naval convoys a thing would be awesome.

    Heck, take from AC4 Black Flag and add in Legendary Ships that are like raid bosses out in the four corners of the map. Could also have skeleton ships that sail at night and whatnot... This was just such a letdown and it's part of why the game world feels so empty. Give us some flippin ships to plunder without them being players, Rare. There's no excuse beyond cheap cop outs or technical limitations (which tbh shows with the skeleton AI..).

    • No progression.

    Outside of raising arbitrary numbers to get cosmetics of course. But yeah, they could have had a PvE progression system that doesn't have any impact in PvP. Not sure what the excuse is outside of not having the time/desire to do it.

    • PvP griefing is a big thing in this game (Outpost aren't safe zones which gives impression that developer have no idea what happens in PVE/PVP game).

    Yeah this is something that could really damage the longevity/health of the game. PvP gets free reign right now, and PvErs serve as the sheep that fatten themselves up by doing other parts of the game that isn't PvP. To me it wreaks of hubris/naivety/ignorance of gaming history to think something different would happen. You don't bring open PvP into a PvE game with 0 consequences and expect it not to streamroll over the rest of the game.

    • With a group you can complete everything this game has to offer in 3 hours.

    Yeah pretty much, outside of the ambiguous Pirate Legend content that will likely be a letdown when someone reaches it next week.

    • Very lazy PC port and careless attitude toward PC players.

    Don't agree with this really. PC version feels fine, but definitely lacking in some areas. Chalk it up more to the fact that Microsoft is forcing all of their games to be crossplatform imo. PC and Xbox players share the same sessions so the game has to be fair to Xbox players playing with/against PC players. The Xbox app for PC feels like a mess though. The Windows spam notifications don't help, and the lack of push to talk in group voice chat feels so incredibly stupid not to have, as if they weren't thinking about PC players at all when designing the app. I don't get why in-game voice chat has push to talk and yet the group chat doesn't. :/ And people will always use Xbox Live group chat over in-game chat because in-game chat is proximity based.

    • They had 5 stress testing / alphas / betas / And full release is almost identical. JEEZ!

    Is that really a surprise? Game was 3 months from launch when they did closed beta. Nothing significant was going to be added/changed.

    • 69€ ($86) Wait what? From this? This should be Free to Play in this state. The content to price tag ratio is insanely off on this one. Even worse than No Man Sky.

    Well it's $60 for us Americans, but that sucks if it's higher priced elsewhere in equivalent costs. I don't think this should've been F2P but it could've been priced lower and marked Early Access. $40 USD would have been a fair price IMO, given the pedigree of the developer and the insane levels of polish that went into what does exist in the game.

    It has beautiful water and environment. Art style is funny and spot on. Sailing mechanics are solid, but melee combat is clunky and downright akward. All the items you can buy with in-game currency are cosmetic only. WHY? In the long run there no reason to play this game. You grind same type of quests over and over to earn gold and only thing you can do with it is to buy cosmetic items. Who designed this great idea? Game is backed by Microsoft, so it's hard to believe that they lack money to do this right. Shame on you Rare and Microsoft!

    Combat being clunky is because they had to be fair to Xbox players vs PC players. Agreed that the environment is stunning, and yeah cosmetics-only is going to kill this game's longevity if they don't start releasing more of everything in terms of stuff to do. The grind exists because they wanted to pad the lack of content and drag it out so most folks wouldn't hit the 'endgame' until a month or three in when they presumably get some new stuff out.

    If this is Microsoft's answer to the lack of exclusives they have to offer, i really don't know what to say, more than PS4 owners are in much better place with: Last of us 2, Ghost of Tsushima, God of War, Spider Man, Detroit: Become Human, Days Gone... (i probably forgot some titles) full games with a lot of content and fully story driven game play. And these are likely coming in 2018.

    Personally looking forward to the new Crackdown and State of Decay 2, but yeah, this feels like it was rushed to try and get a big exclusive out for the spring season/quarter and to better validate/justify the Xbox Game Pass.

    PS. Community management is lazy and won't answer questions and are protective towards "founders" "Pioneers" "Insiders". Great job! Most toxic and introverted community i have been involved in my 30 years of computer gaming.

    Well I mean hopefully I changed your mind on that somewhat. I can still be critical of the game even if I intentionally bought into it knowing full well that I didn't have high expectations for the content end of it. I wanted to support it, and I still enjoy it, but I want to see it be more than what it currently is.

    That said yes there has been some toxicity going about, especially in regards to PvP. That's just the nature of the beast I'm afraid.

    Ultimately this game could be amazing and has a great foundation, but this rushed launch mixed with a lot of Rare's excuses for not doing certain things feels like it could damage this game's longterm potential. Guess it's just a 'wait and see' thing right now while of course continuing to give feedback and suggestions for how to better improve the state of things.

  • Feuerkrahe
    Captain
    Founder

    @omenangel Umm... there isn't going to be any paid DLC. It should have been included at release (though the new sails are much flashier in my opinion), but there isn't much we can do but wait for them to add it.

  • Arsac The Great
    Ship Mate
    Founder

    I agree.
    When I played the beta, I thought they would add more content once the game came out. Unfortunately, that has not been the case. A game with a price tag of over 60 bucks should definitely have more than 3-4 hours worth of content.

    The game is also hella repetitive with very little progression.

  • lumpaywk

    The game is clearly release in an unfinished rushed out state. personally I prefer to play something than wait though, so cant complain at that. That said I LOVE this game. Its amazing. It does need more content, quest types, enemy types etc and the map needs to be at least 3-4 times bigger. I think a lot of this is to come and I have a lot of confidence in that.
    As for MS exclusives you also have crackdown 3, state of decay 2 forza forizon 3 still to come let alone the next gears of war and halo.

  • Sorenthaz
    Captain
    Insider
    Founder

    @flowerofcarnage said in I'm Done. Enough is enough. Honest review.:

    Aside from careless attitude towards PC players I agree with everything. But, Xbox players are the ones who get b***d. Forced cross play = huge disadvantage for everyone on xbox. Developer response = sucks to b you! cross play is, "The VISION". They promised it from the start so they HAVE to cram it down our throats despite the fact that 99% of the xbox playerbase doesn't want it. Except that ONE guy who plays with his PC friends who will be posting shortly....

    Blame Microsoft for crossplay. That's Microsoft's policy going forward with their exclusives, is that they want them to be cross-platform with Windows 10. As someone who plays on PC I can't complain, and I'm very much looking forward to Crackdown 3 + State of Decay 2. At the same time it is problematic and Sea of Thieves' combat design feels like it was purposely made minimal/clunky for the sake of being fair to folks using controllers.

  • Trenix90
    Marauder
    Insider

    Maybe this isn't your game? I also don't like that the game lacks content but I don't want the content you even asked for. I played already for quite a few hours and I'm still having fun.

  • lumpaywk

    @flowerofcarnage said in I'm Done. Enough is enough. Honest review.:

    Aside from careless attitude towards PC players I agree with everything. But, Xbox players are the ones who get b***d. Forced cross play = huge disadvantage for everyone on xbox. Developer response = sucks to b you! cross play is, "The VISION". They promised it from the start so they HAVE to cram it down our throats despite the fact that 99% of the xbox playerbase doesn't want it. Except that ONE guy who plays with his PC friends who will be posting shortly....

    I am that guy lol, Cross play is great for me. It means I can play the game with my kid on his PC and me sat on my xbox. What's more I only have to buy the game once (well one game pass) and we get to play together on different platforms. Add my laptop into the mix my other kid can play to and off we go. So yeah sorry but I love cross play and play anywhere.

  • TheLoboLegend
    Master
    Insider

    @gunjah104 said in I'm Done. Enough is enough. Honest review.:

    Played this game 2-3 days (20h) and already i have seen and done everything. Here is my thought about this game.

    • Lacks content.
    • Repetitive.
    • Only few NPC enemy types. (No NPC merchant ships?! What?! Isn't this suppose to be Pirate game?)
    • No progression.
    • PvP griefing is a big thing in this game (Outpost aren't safe zones which gives impression that developer have no idea what happens in PVE/PVP game).
    • With a group you can complete everything this game has to offer in 3 hours.
    • Very lazy PC port and careless attitude toward PC players.
    • They had 5 stress testing / alphas / betas / And full release is almost identical. JEEZ!
    • 69€ ($86) Wait what? From this? This should be Free to Play in this state. The content to price tag ratio is insanely off on this one. Even worse than No Man Sky.

    It has beautiful water and environment. Art style is funny and spot on. Sailing mechanics are solid, but melee combat is clunky and downright akward. All the items you can buy with in-game currency are cosmetic only. WHY? In the long run there no reason to play this game. You grind same type of quests over and over to earn gold and only thing you can do with it is to buy cosmetic items. Who designed this great idea? Game is backed by Microsoft, so it's hard to believe that they lack money to do this right. Shame on you Rare and Microsoft!

    If this is Microsoft's answer to the lack of exclusives they have to offer, i really don't know what to say, more than PS4 owners are in much better place with: Last of us 2, Ghost of Tsushima, God of War, Spider Man, Detroit: Become Human, Days Gone... (i probably forgot some titles) full games with a lot of content and fully story driven game play. And these are likely coming in 2018.

    How can i get my money back?

    PS. Community management is lazy and won't answer questions and are protective towards "founders" "Pioneers" "Insiders". Great job! Most toxic and introverted community i have been involved in my 30 years of computer gaming.

    The End

    OK I agree with a few of your points, the price tag especially. And while i'll still be playing the game (Because I actually have fun playing it) I will respect your opinion and not try to tear it to pieces. However I would like to ask you one thing.....You say you have done all that this game has to offer within 3 hours, correct? So you made it to Legendary Pirate status and experienced the end game content that you have access to after achieving this ???

  • stalkrates
    Founder

    the game is as advertised. all the betas, alphas too, it didnt change, the map stayed the same.... not enough islands to explore? this game isn't about that, it's about being a pirate, plundering and looting and stealing and cheating... it came exactly as advertised, rare was completely transparent about what this game is and hid nothing from us. Ship battles are amazing, killing skeletons not so much, but if thats your thing... there are a lot of hack and slash games out there for you, you didnt have to buy the pirate game to get your hack and slash fix, or your doll dress up game fix... If this game isnt fun for you, then you missed the point of this game, its also nobody's fault but your own. Rare was full disclosure the whole time!

  • Kashaarafall

    @stalkrates This is kind of funny to me. You're stating the exact opposite of other people defending the game. You say it is about being a pirate, plundering, looting, stealing and cheating. Then someone else comes along and says it is about exploring, forging your own adventure and having a voyage. Then you have someone else saying it is about trolling other players in PvP among other things. What's it boil down to? It's a game, played the way people who paid for it want to play it and so long as the way they want to play it works, but has little content, there will be complaints.

  • TrackerRoo
    Ship Mate
    Insider

    Gotta love the sweet protected status that comes with being an Insider. As for the PC Port, yeah it's pretty not great but meh, Insider so my version is magically superior to yours. Pioneers have flying reindeer in their version, true story. Plus magic weapons and armor forged from giant skulls. A simple Insider like me has no chance against a overpowered and magic wielding foe but that's half the fun.

    19/10 would be reduced to cinders again

  • Feuerkrahe
    Captain
    Founder

    @naoshadowpaws I can confirm

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