Ship Ownership - Progression System

All of the current cosmetics (weapons, clothes, sails, figureheads, titles) already distinguish you as being 'important'. Hardly "nothing doing it whatsoever". These cosmetics are abundant, if not incredibly cheap (which actually makes them more distinguishable).

Also your progression system into larger crew #s only makes it so the strong get stronger (Crew size is the largest factor for balance). Currently, anyone can join up into any size crew, the epitome of balance. If only players with experience can crew up into larger crews, you end up with large crews of experienced players vs small crews of noobs who have no option of forming equally numbered crews or any chance of getting matched with higher progessed teammates.

In other words: Bad idea.

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

All of the current cosmetics (weapons, clothes, sails, figureheads, titles) already distinguish you as being 'important'. Hardly "nothing doing it whatsoever". These cosmetics are abundant, if not incredibly cheap (which actually makes them more distinguishable).

Also your progression system into larger crew #s only makes it so the strong get stronger (Crew size is the largest factor for balance). Currently, anyone can join up into any size crew, the epitome of balance. If only players with experience can crew up into larger crews, you end up with large crews of experienced players vs small crews of noobs who have no option of forming equally numbered crews or any chance of getting matched with higher progessed teammates.

In other words: Bad idea.

We already have an imbalance with ships when it comes to numbers. This suggestion adds nothing new. With bigger ships, comes more work so it isn't that far of an advantage.

@trenix90 said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

All of the current cosmetics (weapons, clothes, sails, figureheads, titles) already distinguish you as being 'important'. Hardly "nothing doing it whatsoever". These cosmetics are abundant, if not incredibly cheap (which actually makes them more distinguishable).

Also your progression system into larger crew #s only makes it so the strong get stronger (Crew size is the largest factor for balance). Currently, anyone can join up into any size crew, the epitome of balance. If only players with experience can crew up into larger crews, you end up with large crews of experienced players vs small crews of noobs who have no option of forming equally numbered crews or any chance of getting matched with higher progessed teammates.

In other words: Bad idea.

We already have an imbalance with ships when it comes to numbers. This suggestion adds nothing new. With bigger ships, comes more work so it isn't that far of an advantage.

The difference with your idea is that with your progression system, it guarantees that the larger crews can only be populated with more experienced players. The only thing that gives smaller crews a chance against larger crews is higher skill and the chance at better coordination. If largers crews are entirely composed of more experienced players, you lose the chance at a skill gap and you significantly reduce the odds that they are less coordinated.

2 experienced players vs 4 mixed-experience players has a chance to be balanced.

2 inexperienced players vs 4 experienced players has no chance.

You're forcing the inexperienced players into the smaller crew sizes while simultaneously eliminating the possibility of larger crew sizes being composed of mixed-experience players.

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@trenix90 said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

All of the current cosmetics (weapons, clothes, sails, figureheads, titles) already distinguish you as being 'important'. Hardly "nothing doing it whatsoever". These cosmetics are abundant, if not incredibly cheap (which actually makes them more distinguishable).

Also your progression system into larger crew #s only makes it so the strong get stronger (Crew size is the largest factor for balance). Currently, anyone can join up into any size crew, the epitome of balance. If only players with experience can crew up into larger crews, you end up with large crews of experienced players vs small crews of noobs who have no option of forming equally numbered crews or any chance of getting matched with higher progessed teammates.

In other words: Bad idea.

We already have an imbalance with ships when it comes to numbers. This suggestion adds nothing new. With bigger ships, comes more work so it isn't that far of an advantage.

The difference with your idea is that with your progression system, it guarantees that the larger crews can only be populated with more experienced players. The only thing that gives smaller crews a chance against larger crews is higher skill and the chance at better coordination. If largers crews are entirely composed of more experienced players, you lose the chance at a skill gap and you significantly reduce the odds that they are less coordinated.

2 experienced players vs 4 mixed-experience players has a chance to be balanced.

2 inexperienced players vs 4 experienced players has no chance.

You're forcing the inexperienced players into the smaller crew sizes while simultaneously eliminating the possibility of larger crew sizes being composed of mixed-experience players.

I don't think you understood my suggestion. Nothing in my suggestion prevents you from being a random in any ship, just you simply wont be the captain. All this does is ensure that experience players will be captains, as they should. If you want to play solo or duo, you can be a captain from the beginning. This is a great way to balance progression overall. I personally would love to be a crew member on bigger boats until I get my own boat and be my own captain. This the incentive I want.

Love this idea. Going to repost and refine a bit to get it some more light

@i-am-lost-77 said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

Crew size is the largest factor for balance.

This is why they need to modify ship damage and storage. Ship choice should be the biggest factor not crew size. If a large crew is on a small boat it should be a hinderance not a reward. Here is a post Improved ship layout, better ship combat/damage, more ships, and larger more fluid crews: I made to try and make it so choosing the right ship for your gameplay style is more important than how many people you have on board.

The only way you can balance it is by having the crew do their part in managing the ship. The bigger ship you have, the more hands you need. That seems fair.

@trenix90 said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@trenix90 said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

All of the current cosmetics (weapons, clothes, sails, figureheads, titles) already distinguish you as being 'important'. Hardly "nothing doing it whatsoever". These cosmetics are abundant, if not incredibly cheap (which actually makes them more distinguishable).

Also your progression system into larger crew #s only makes it so the strong get stronger (Crew size is the largest factor for balance). Currently, anyone can join up into any size crew, the epitome of balance. If only players with experience can crew up into larger crews, you end up with large crews of experienced players vs small crews of noobs who have no option of forming equally numbered crews or any chance of getting matched with higher progessed teammates.

In other words: Bad idea.

We already have an imbalance with ships when it comes to numbers. This suggestion adds nothing new. With bigger ships, comes more work so it isn't that far of an advantage.

The difference with your idea is that with your progression system, it guarantees that the larger crews can only be populated with more experienced players. The only thing that gives smaller crews a chance against larger crews is higher skill and the chance at better coordination. If largers crews are entirely composed of more experienced players, you lose the chance at a skill gap and you significantly reduce the odds that they are less coordinated.

2 experienced players vs 4 mixed-experience players has a chance to be balanced.

2 inexperienced players vs 4 experienced players has no chance.

You're forcing the inexperienced players into the smaller crew sizes while simultaneously eliminating the possibility of larger crew sizes being composed of mixed-experience players.

I don't think you understood my suggestion. Nothing in my suggestion prevents you from being a random in any ship, just you simply wont be the captain. All this does is ensure that experience players will be captains, as they should. If you want to play solo or duo, you can be a captain from the beginning. This is a great way to balance progression overall. I personally would love to be a crew member on bigger boats until I get my own boat and be my own captain. This the incentive I want.

No offense but your 'captain' title has no purpose if it doesn't give you some sort of command (ie: you can take the wheel away from someone, you can lock the anchor/sails, you can kick someone off your crew, etc). And with (or without) command the general trend will always be for players to want to be captain. Outside of preformed groups you're gonna end up with a sea of one-man ships never getting crews having a terrible time trying to sail, and getting stomped on by teams.

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@trenix90 said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@trenix90 said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

All of the current cosmetics (weapons, clothes, sails, figureheads, titles) already distinguish you as being 'important'. Hardly "nothing doing it whatsoever". These cosmetics are abundant, if not incredibly cheap (which actually makes them more distinguishable).

Also your progression system into larger crew #s only makes it so the strong get stronger (Crew size is the largest factor for balance). Currently, anyone can join up into any size crew, the epitome of balance. If only players with experience can crew up into larger crews, you end up with large crews of experienced players vs small crews of noobs who have no option of forming equally numbered crews or any chance of getting matched with higher progessed teammates.

In other words: Bad idea.

We already have an imbalance with ships when it comes to numbers. This suggestion adds nothing new. With bigger ships, comes more work so it isn't that far of an advantage.

The difference with your idea is that with your progression system, it guarantees that the larger crews can only be populated with more experienced players. The only thing that gives smaller crews a chance against larger crews is higher skill and the chance at better coordination. If largers crews are entirely composed of more experienced players, you lose the chance at a skill gap and you significantly reduce the odds that they are less coordinated.

2 experienced players vs 4 mixed-experience players has a chance to be balanced.

2 inexperienced players vs 4 experienced players has no chance.

You're forcing the inexperienced players into the smaller crew sizes while simultaneously eliminating the possibility of larger crew sizes being composed of mixed-experience players.

I don't think you understood my suggestion. Nothing in my suggestion prevents you from being a random in any ship, just you simply wont be the captain. All this does is ensure that experience players will be captains, as they should. If you want to play solo or duo, you can be a captain from the beginning. This is a great way to balance progression overall. I personally would love to be a crew member on bigger boats until I get my own boat and be my own captain. This the incentive I want.

No offense but your 'captain' title has no purpose if it doesn't give you some sort of command (ie: you can take the wheel away from someone, you can lock the anchor/sails, you can kick someone off your crew, etc). And with (or without) command the general trend will always be for players to want to be captain. Outside of preformed groups you're gonna end up with a sea of one-man ships never getting crews having a terrible time trying to sail, and getting stomped on by teams.

Except the fact that Captains can throw you in the brig, because it's your ship and they're under your authority. You should read my original post. It seems like you're just throwing up points just because.

@trenix90 said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@trenix90 said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@trenix90 said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

All of the current cosmetics (weapons, clothes, sails, figureheads, titles) already distinguish you as being 'important'. Hardly "nothing doing it whatsoever". These cosmetics are abundant, if not incredibly cheap (which actually makes them more distinguishable).

Also your progression system into larger crew #s only makes it so the strong get stronger (Crew size is the largest factor for balance). Currently, anyone can join up into any size crew, the epitome of balance. If only players with experience can crew up into larger crews, you end up with large crews of experienced players vs small crews of noobs who have no option of forming equally numbered crews or any chance of getting matched with higher progessed teammates.

In other words: Bad idea.

We already have an imbalance with ships when it comes to numbers. This suggestion adds nothing new. With bigger ships, comes more work so it isn't that far of an advantage.

The difference with your idea is that with your progression system, it guarantees that the larger crews can only be populated with more experienced players. The only thing that gives smaller crews a chance against larger crews is higher skill and the chance at better coordination. If largers crews are entirely composed of more experienced players, you lose the chance at a skill gap and you significantly reduce the odds that they are less coordinated.

2 experienced players vs 4 mixed-experience players has a chance to be balanced.

2 inexperienced players vs 4 experienced players has no chance.

You're forcing the inexperienced players into the smaller crew sizes while simultaneously eliminating the possibility of larger crew sizes being composed of mixed-experience players.

I don't think you understood my suggestion. Nothing in my suggestion prevents you from being a random in any ship, just you simply wont be the captain. All this does is ensure that experience players will be captains, as they should. If you want to play solo or duo, you can be a captain from the beginning. This is a great way to balance progression overall. I personally would love to be a crew member on bigger boats until I get my own boat and be my own captain. This the incentive I want.

No offense but your 'captain' title has no purpose if it doesn't give you some sort of command (ie: you can take the wheel away from someone, you can lock the anchor/sails, you can kick someone off your crew, etc). And with (or without) command the general trend will always be for players to want to be captain. Outside of preformed groups you're gonna end up with a sea of one-man ships never getting crews having a terrible time trying to sail, and getting stomped on by teams.

Except the fact that Captains can throw you in the brig, because it's your ship and they're under your authority. You should read my original post. It seems like you're just throwing up points just because.

So a feature (brig) that is already able to be abused by a majority vote, you would like to give power to one person? Who in their right mind would want to be subject to that? Everyone would want to be captain, and so you would have a sea full of one-man ships.

Bad idea is bad.

@ecres said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

What about groups of friends that want to play together but don't have a ship large enough for the crew they have? Also the idea of having a position of Captain goes against Rare's Pirate Code that all crew are equal.

Everyone is equal, but the ship is owned by someone. So like a house or any other piece of property, you can invite someone there or allow people to come, but when you tell them to get out, they should, or else, brig or jail. Right?

@lotrmith said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

So a feature (brig) that is already able to be abused by a majority vote, you would like to give power to one person? Who in their right mind would want to be subject to that? Everyone would want to be captain, and so you would have a sea full of one-man ships.

Bad idea is bad.

It's your choice to join someone's ship that they personally purchased. You're a guest. So many entitled people that it's not even funny. I play as a random all the time and would still be one even if this system existed. Why? Because I know how to act like a civilized person. If they want to brig me for absolutely no reason, fine, I'll just sit and collect loot and then log. However I doubt that will happen, since brigging mainly happens because there are no private ships. I'm suggesting we should have private ships or public ones. I wouldn't mind opening my ship to the public.

@ecres said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@trenix90 You would still be allowing someone to have power over other players even if it was a slight amount of power it's still power. It would allow a player to invite people to his crew and then before turning in loot just kick everybody out for no reason.

Never said anything about kicking, I said voting to brig people. Also if someone owns something, then yes, they should have more authority because it's theirs. Sorry, I'm not buying your communist nonsense.

Also you didn't answer the first part of my question. What about groups that don't have a large ship but want to play together? Your idea basically forces you to join a random crew or not play with more than one friend until you have made enough money to buy a ship.

Exactly. To captain a large group, you need to earn it or join another crew. There is nothing wrong with playing with other players.

Side note: Rare has already announced that in their 3 Month Update they are adding Captaincy so Rare already has an idea of what they want ship ownership to look like. We should probably wait and see what they come up with before pushing something different.

Uhh, no. Welcome to feedback and suggestions sections of the forums. If you don't like my suggestions or anyone else's, than go somewhere else.

@wildeyedjokr said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

I actually mentioned something similar a week or so ago.

The concept of starting with a one or two man and being able to become a bigger ship - Picking up those one/two man crews at the docks* who are hoping to get their own.

Edit: With that said, it goes against the whole "Horizontal Progression". But really, it'd give me a reason to WANT to progress, along with meeting randoms.

Would be nice to merge groups together to get on a bigger ship. Also I don't believe it's a horizontal progression, because bigger is not always better. Sure you have more people and that's a plus, but you also have to deal with more sails, more walking, more repairing, and so on. A team that doesn't know how to cooperate, wont do as well on a bigger ship.

@trenix90 said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@ecres said in Ship Ownership - Progression System:

@trenix90 You would still be allowing someone to have power over other players even if it was a slight amount of power it's still power. It would allow a player to invite people to his crew and then before turning in loot just kick everybody out for no reason.

Never said anything about kicking, I said voting to brig people. Also if someone owns something, then yes, they should have more authority because it's theirs. Sorry, I'm not buying your communist nonsense."

This is precisely the kind of attitude that makes people not want to be subjected to captains, and therefore everyone rolls captain, and you end up with a sea of one-man ships.