Does Fort treasure despawn?

  • Prof Mamadu
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    So yesterday my galleon was fighting another galleon over a fort. They killed the captain and take off leaving the vault closed (we assume they took off with the key).

    After a while we chase them and end up sinking them at another nearby fort. When we check the vault on this other fort, it's open and empty (i know it's normal to be empty, but is it normal to be open? I don't know).

    Then we go check the correct fort and the vault is also open and empty. What happened? I don't see how they could have taken it because when we weren't at the fort we were chasing them. They could have left someone hiding at the fort but without a ship they couldn't have taken the treasure off the island.

    So did the treasure despawn? Due to what? Time? Them having used the key on a wrong fort (did they?)?

    Anyone knows how this works?

    EDIT: Important info:
    1- The wrong fort where we sunk them was NEARBY and it wasn't one of the forts that gets skull clouds (from my experience only 3 forts get skull clouds: Keel Haul Fort, Shark Fin Camp and Crow's Nest Fortress).
    2- After we sunk them at the wrong fort, we got to the correct fort before they had chance to spawn and get there.

    EDIT2: SOLVED: The galleon we sunk at the "wrong" fort was not our initial enemy galleon, it was a different one (despite having the same hull). So our initial enemy galleon was hiding and when they saw us fighting another galleon they took the opportunity to get the treasure from the "correct" fort.

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  • Manicmethod5320
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    @prof-mamadu They opened another fort and there was not any treasure. When they opened the fort they were at... it also opened the original fort where someone else took the loot.
    My guess based off experience. I know for a fact you can open a different fort with the key ... but only the island where the key was obtained will have loot.

  • Lord of Goats
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    Yeah, it doesn't despawn unless you change server, and the door won't shut on a previous one until the skull comes back up.

    So they may have left someone unloading while they led on a chase, then dashed back and loaded after you sunk them.

  • Prof Mamadu
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    @puffy-freckles Are you saying that using the key on a different fort opens both forts at the same time? If that's true that's super weird...

  • Prof Mamadu
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    @personalc0ffee said in Does Fort treasure despawn?:

    2 scenarios, they had 2 keys and used one as a decoy so you thought they threw the key away

    Or

    This was a previously active fort that had been looted and when you sunk 'em, you didn't find the key and figured they threw the key on the door so no one could use it than later when the heat died down they re-acquired the key and went and used it on the fort with the goodies and then you came along later and were confused.

    Genius, pure genius.

    Maybe i didn't explain well but after we sunk them at the wrong fort, we went to the correct fort (nearby) before they had time to spawn and get there..

  • Prof Mamadu
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    @lord-of-goats I added some info to my post to make it more clear... they didn't have time to dash back and load treasure because we got back to the correct fort before they had a chance to get there... So if there was any treasure taken it was still in the island... and we searched a lot..

  • Gloog
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    Fort treasure can despawn.

  • Lord of Goats
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    @prof-mamadu Interesting. Did they quit with the key? I'm not sure if that would do it (although it certainly wouldn't open it).

    Which fort was open, if it wasn't one of the main 3? Can you remember the names of them both?

  • shahimclt
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    @prof-mamadu You did not get a key when you sunk them right?

    So what might have happened is : they left a man on the fort to open it while they led you on a chase. The guy at the fort took the treasure and hid it in a bush or something on the island itself. So when you came back after sinking them, you found it empty and left, while they just respawned and were lurking for you to leave.

  • Crimsonraziel
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    @prof-mamadu If it despawns, then only after hours.

    Things to consider:

    • Maybe a server merge happend while you were chasing them? Did you get this "world is changing" message? If so, you were moved to a new instance and "the old world" with your fort and it's loot was gone.
    • Maybe the never took the key with them in the first place? Maybe they hid the key and someone else found it or some third crew managed to steal it while you where chasing them away.

    (Yeah, really happend, gally1 chasing gally2 and my PUG was about follow them, when one member said "wait, got the key".

    Eventually gally1 noticed it and came back, but we already got the treasures. All that was left behind, was me and some powder kegs. BOOM!)

  • Gloog
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    @personalc0ffee its in the known issues of the previous patch notes. Even being one island away can cause despawn.

  • Prof Mamadu
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    @lord-of-goats said in Does Fort treasure despawn?:

    @prof-mamadu Interesting. Did they quit with the key? I'm not sure if that would do it (although it certainly wouldn't open it).

    No i don't think they quit because we met them later again.

    Which fort was open, if it wasn't one of the main 3? Can you remember the names of them both?

    If i recall well, the correct fort was "shark fin camp" and the other one was "skull keep".

  • Prof Mamadu
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    @shahimclt said in Does Fort treasure despawn?:

    @prof-mamadu You did not get a key when you sunk them right?

    So what might have happened is : they left a man on the fort to open it while they led you on a chase. The guy at the fort took the treasure and hid it in a bush or something on the island itself. So when you came back after sinking them, you found it empty and left, while they just respawned and were lurking for you to leave.

    I suspected this as well but two things make me doubt it:
    1- How was the other fort's vault open then? Is it normal to be open? Didn't they have to use the key on it?
    2- i took a good 20min searching all the bushes and nothing.. they had ot hide it really well..

  • Prof Mamadu
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    @crimsonraziel said in Does Fort treasure despawn?:

    @prof-mamadu If it despawns, then only after hours.

    Things to consider:

    • Maybe a server merge happend while you were chasing them? Did you get this "world is changing" message? If so, you were moved to a new instance and "the old world" with your fort and it's loot was gone.

    That message didn't appear.

    • Maybe the never took the key with them in the first place? Maybe they hid the key and someone else found it or some third crew managed to steal it while you where chasing them away.

    This is not impossible but:
    1- i also took long time searching the bushes for the key before we decided to chase them, and found nothing.
    2- we haven't seen a single other ship nearby and the 2 forts were rather close..

  • Lord of Goats
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    @prof-mamadu Hrm. I'm sorry, then. I've got nothing :(

  • Lord of Goats
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    @personalc0ffee

    Treasure on land will not despawn until a quite long time away from it, rumored to be nearly 2 hours.

    I've left a key on an island for just over 2 hours, so can confirm this.

  • Prof Mamadu
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    @personalc0ffee said in Does Fort treasure despawn?:

    Ok if you're going to ask for advice make sure to give the details and context.

    Anyways; fort doors that are not normal for skelly spawn can only be opened with a key. They will never open on their own so SOMEONE used a key to open that door, rather than use it one with treasure.

    So "non-skull" forts are closed by default while "skull forts" are only closed when loaded with treasure, is this it?

    So there was not time in the time you sunk them and chased them to that fort, for them to re-acquire a hidden key and go back to that fort and off load?

    Then they left someone there to load it to the water line and they all popped by and threw it on the ship very fast.

    So from what your saying two keys had to be used? One on the wrong fort and one on the correct fort?

  • Crimson Cass
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    If you use a key of one fort on another one, you'll open the vault but it will be empty, because there were no Skeleton Captain there.
    Using the key that way will probably make the treasure in the right vault to despawn because you can't open that vault anymore.

  • Prof Mamadu
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    @arcangelo87 said in Does Fort treasure despawn?:

    If you use a key of one fort on another one, you'll open the vault but it will be empty, because there were no Skeleton Captain there.
    Using the key that way will probably make the treasure in the right vault to despawn because you can't open that vault anymore.

    This is what seemed to have happened. But can someone confirm this mechanics?

  • Lord of Goats
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    @personalc0ffee Neither! When we got it, we sailed off, dropped the key on old faithful, scuttled, changed paint and went and did missions for a bit in a different part of the map. After things had cooled down, we went and retrieved the key. Still tucked behind a rock.

    I've also seen them float for a pretty long time (found one about 40 minutes after a fort had completed just off the shore).

  • Skyewauker
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    @puffy-freckles Wrong. Only an ACTIVE fort will have loot.

    Meaning the one you just cleared or the next one that spawns. Me and a buddy did this on a sloop. Galleon cleared the fort. We ran in , ganked, got key, ran after sinking their ship. Went about doing quests. Another fort popped a few hours later. We ran in, opened it, got the loots while waves were spawning.

    It was a different for location as well. Dunno if it was bugged or not but it worked.

  • Prof Mamadu
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    Guys i just got in touch with the enemy crew via xbox app and got the whole thing explained:

    The galleon we sunk at the "wrong" fort was not our initial enemy galleon, it was a different one (despite having the same hull [gosh i wish there was a bigger variety of hulls]).

    So our initial enemy galleon was hiding and when they saw us fighting another galleon they took the opportunity to get the treasure from the "correct" fort. Very funny actually :P

    The only thing this doesn't explain is why did the "wrong" fort have its vault open, but i guess this is the normal state of "non-skull" forts?

  • Manicmethod5320
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    @skyewauker My post was kind of confusing but my last sentence agrees with you.
    Only the original/active fort will have loot.

  • Skyewauker
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    @puffy-freckles Ah gotcha. :)

  • CoolerBravo
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    Remember to look through the floor if you're in doubt. You can see the treasure in the room by looking through the floor boards.

  • Instatikz
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    @gloog on day one i came back to a Fort about 2 hours later and found the lool still there...it did not disappear

  • Gloog
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    @instatikz sweet. I didnt say it does.

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