The Free Roaming Pirate

@gloog said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

SoT is a sandbox at its core.

Don't know why people keep saying this. It's not in the slightest.

@lucid-stew said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

@gloog said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

SoT is a sandbox at its core.

Don't know why people keep saying this.

An action adventure set up in an open world sandbox any better?

It's not in the slightest.

Not even in the slightest eh?

I think people keep saying this because of the tavern tales podcasts, the museum of more marketing campaign, and rest of the media put out by Rare. It's a shared world that encourages us to play with it how we want - I don't know what else it could be.

@mrbrocksego said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

Well that about sums it up.

Hopefully the forums become a more constructive community at some point, I think it'll filter out eventually.

I wouldn't mind if they were tagged, categorized, and filtered out though... because I dont know if it'll filter out itself until more content comes. Trivializing the discussion with so many posts instantly jumping to 'We need pve/private servers or safe zones' instead of better tools and choice within in the game world.

@realstyli said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

googles "sandbox game meaning"

"A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam and change a virtual world at will. In contrast to a progression-style game, a sandbox game emphasizes roaming and allows a gamer to select tasks."

...and that's where you fall short. Oh, sure, you can roam... but an empty world is not a sandbox. You have to be able to manipulate it.

@lucid-stew said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

@realstyli said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

googles "sandbox game meaning"

"A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam and change a virtual world at will. In contrast to a progression-style game, a sandbox game emphasizes roaming and allows a gamer to select tasks."

...and that's where you fall short. Oh, sure, you can roam... but an empty world is not a sandbox. You have to be able to manipulate it.

"A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations (we have none, everything is accessible) are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam (✔) and change a virtual world at will (examples noted in OP, forums/reddit, Rare media). In contrast to a progression-style game (non-existent), a sandbox game emphasizes roaming (✔) and allows a gamer to select tasks (the free roaming pirate, albeit limited, see OP). Instead of featuring segmented areas or numbered levels (✔), a sandbox game usually occurs in a “world” to which the gamer has full access from start to finish (we have the tools, we have the choice)."

It's not anything else.
What're we gonna do, shitpost endlessly, for the controversy it brings, about a game that doesn't exist, or give feedback on the one that does?

@blam320 I agree, but I'd love to read someone advocating for in-world dungeonesque instances rather than a goodbye loveletter to Rare or PvP vs PvE threads.
I don't have a problem with battle royale but the manpower to make it happen here would be ridiculous - better to make the game we have now better.

@gloog said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

@lucid-stew said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

@gloog said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

SoT is a sandbox at its core.

Don't know why people keep saying this.

An action adventure set up in an open world sandbox any better?

It's not in the slightest.

Not even in the slightest eh?

I think people keep saying this because of the tavern tales podcasts, the museum of more marketing campaign, and rest of the media put out by Rare. It's a shared world that encourages us to play with it how we want - I don't know what else it could be.

It really isnt though man. I mean what can you ACTUALLY do? The world is not interactive at all not even in the slightest, with the exception of a music box. Tools? What tools....? A grog and an instrument. How many times does it take to get drunk and play a song? I mean there is no background story at all. Ports are void of life and excitement, animals are quest only "items" the kraken seen it once seen it all. There is nothing for exploration other than screen shot fodder. I mean the game doesnt offer much except for pvp. You get loot so there is a reason to pvp. I can't seem to understand why people call this a sandbox.

I guess I can release an open world run simulator and call it a sandbox.

Nothing you do can dynamically change the world. Your game isnt even progressive it's a new game everytime you log on. There is no crafting....

You can't even sit on a chair??? Cant touch doors or windows I mean you cant touch anything other than loot. Which is basically all the same loot with different skins. Dont even get me started on the lack of individuality with the cosmetics..

But hey I still love sot but I'm not blind to the fact that this is NO sandbox. This is a battle royals with treasure.

@rdizz said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

@gloog said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

@lucid-stew said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

@gloog said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

SoT is a sandbox at its core.

Don't know why people keep saying this.

An action adventure set up in an open world sandbox any better?

It's not in the slightest.

Not even in the slightest eh?

I think people keep saying this because of the tavern tales podcasts, the museum of more marketing campaign, and rest of the media put out by Rare. It's a shared world that encourages us to play with it how we want - I don't know what else it could be.

It really isnt though man. I mean what can you ACTUALLY do?

Selecting task based on how you feel that day, be a friendly merchant, bloodthirsty PvPer, only do gold hoarders, a mix of anything, or strictly explore for spawned loot and so on and so on.

The world is not interactive at all not even in the slightest, with the exception of a music box. Tools? What tools....?

You are taking that literally and out of the context I used it in. We equally have the tool to dodge the galleon (the sloop) but we don't all have the skill. Everything is accessible to everyone barring skill.

It's a world that allows for a pretty interactive environment. I've teamed up with sloops to take down a galleon or to do a skull fort. I've gotten a merchant to pull over and let me check their hull. There's a great deal of variety with players when using game chat.

I guess I can release an open world run simulator and call it a sandbox.

You could if I got to choose what kind of runner I get to be.

Nothing you do can dynamically change the world.

The shared world makes for the dynamics

You can't even sit on a chair??? Cant touch doors or windows I mean you cant touch anything other than loot. Which is basically all the same loot with different skins. Dont even get me started on the lack of individuality with the cosmetics..

That's more of a general complaint. Not really related..

But hey I still love sot but I'm not blind to the fact that this is NO sandbox. This is a battle royals with treasure.

It can be that to you. Check the forums. The insane amount of pve only threads sees it differently which maybe evidences that this game is a sandbox?

@macdoland said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

Honestly the sub reddit has a better deal going on than the forums at the moment.

Which is funny considering how disgusting that place was during beta.

Fill the world with secret locations, creatures that only appear on certain in game days / moon cycles / times. Give us rare items that interact with the world in surprising ways. Riddles that exist in the world without maps, clues scattered on the wind.

This would be great. I'd love the idea of relics personally.

To @MacDoland and @xXxROOKxXx thank you, this is what I was hoping for when I posted.

@toastywrath said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

@gloog seems like people miss the idea that other ships are a big part of the content. That YOU are part of the content for other people. How you interact with each other changes the server you’re in at that moment.

Sticky this to the top of the forums lol, but really exactly this. The shared world part of 'shared world adventure' isn't exclusive to your own crew. Everyone plays a part.

@fishst1ck said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

@gloog
As you said it all boils down to choices, to enjoy yourself you need more choice. I think a lot of the people out here that are almost fighting eachother over things like PC vs Xbox, PvE vs PvP, sloop vs galleon, they all share the a certain love for this game but tend to forget that just because they need to be right. In the end more choice added to the game will improve the game for everyone, no matter your preferential play style.

I think respecting peoples preferential playstyle is super important and currently its being separated like some black and white line of pve vs pvp. I can't say, but I'd put my money on most people mixing between the two which is what makes this game brilliant. Looking at their needs within the game world rather than separating into groups can go a waaaay longer way in getting us more content. Its all about a healthy ecosystem via choice.

I have no problem with more PvE content, I have no problem with more PvP content, anything that will be added to the game as an addition to the entire experience will welcome and I agree with @Gloog that having more options available will probably reduce the seperation of so many groups of players.

What I'm afraid of though is that because of all the bickering amongst ourselves, Rare will give in to the demands of implementing things that only help the enjoyment of one group instead of something for the entire community could benefit from. The risks of demanding seperations from other people is not only breaking up the community but is asking Rare to spend development time that could have been used to make the game better for everyone on making the game better just for one group.

edit: also noticed more threads being locked that are bait/toxic
I've got this fear too. RARE seems to of backed off from firing random comments on twitter (4man sloop) - so they are atleast aware their voice makes an impact. I'd be nice to have more clarification about their overall vision, but the website speaks volumes toward this game being a sandbox meant to be enjoyed the way the player wants.

Adding new choices into the existing game, no matter the type of content will improve the experience for everyone. By getting rid of thinking in forms of seperation you could try to think of solutions that would fit within the SoT fomulate and will be supported by the community as a whole. Even though we're not all equal and don't all have similar playstyles, we all enjoy this game and only wish it to be even more enjoyable.

We all sail the same seas, let's keep sailing them together.

I couldn't of said it better. We don't all need to be equal but we need to all be able to handle the world in our own way. I'd really like to see more tips given to players who feel they are being ambushed constantly rather than saying 'its not their type of game'. Every problem in this game has a solution and some are really creative solutions.

@gloog said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

"A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations (we have none, everything is accessible) are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam (✔) and change a virtual world at will (examples noted in OP, forums/reddit, Rare media). In contrast to a progression-style game (non-existent), a sandbox game emphasizes roaming (✔) and allows a gamer to select tasks (the free roaming pirate, albeit limited, see OP). Instead of featuring segmented areas or numbered levels (✔), a sandbox game usually occurs in a “world” to which the gamer has full access from start to finish (we have the tools, we have the choice)."

It's not anything else.
What're we gonna do, shitpost endlessly, for the controversy it brings, about a game that doesn't exist, or give feedback on the one that does?

No, we're going to come to the conclusion that you're wrong. And here's how...

First check: that statement has a conditional AND, wherein both statements need to be true for the whole statement to be true. First condition is true, second is not, therefore the entire statement is false. check #1 invalidated. Before you accuse me of nitpicking, that is LOGIC. Try it in programming and you'll get the same result.

Second check: there is no EMPHASIS on roaming. There is no incentive to roam. The only thing evoking roaming at all is the lack of instructions and the ability to do so. However, the game does contain some instruction from the NPCs, and also contains incentive in the guise of the Pirate Legend moniker as well as collection of gold, which can only be obtained from NPCs. To obtain the only incentive in the game, one MUST go from point A to point B. Also, to obtain the Pirate Legend moniker, one MUST level the game loop up to triple-50. second check invalidated.

third check: another logical operator for you: OR, wherein the statement is true if either condition is true. In this case the statement is exclusionary, so SoT does NOT fit the definition if the statement is true. Sea of Thieves has numbered levels, therefore the statement is true, and third check is invalidated.

Got any more checks?

@lucid-stew said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

@gloog said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

"A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations (we have none, everything is accessible) are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam (✔) and change a virtual world at will (examples noted in OP, forums/reddit, Rare media). In contrast to a progression-style game (non-existent), a sandbox game emphasizes roaming (✔) and allows a gamer to select tasks (the free roaming pirate, albeit limited, see OP). Instead of featuring segmented areas or numbered levels (✔), a sandbox game usually occurs in a “world” to which the gamer has full access from start to finish (we have the tools, we have the choice)."

It's not anything else.
What're we gonna do, shitpost endlessly, for the controversy it brings, about a game that doesn't exist, or give feedback on the one that does?

No, we're going to come to the conclusion that you're wrong. And here's how...

First check: that statement has a conditional AND, wherein both statements need to be true for the whole statement to be true. First condition is true, second is not, therefore the entire statement is false. check #1 invalidated. Before you accuse me of nitpicking, that is LOGIC. Try it in programming and you'll get the same result.

I fulfilled both conditions. Real first year law school vibe coming off you or math major. My brother does the same stuff! Put forth your own opinion rather than, dare I say, nitpicking?

Second check: there is no EMPHASIS on roaming. There is no incentive to roam. The only thing evoking roaming at all is the lack of instructions and the ability to do so. However, the game does contain some instruction from the NPCs, and also contains incentive in the guise of the Pirate Legend moniker as well as collection of gold, which can only be obtained from NPCs. To obtain the only incentive in the game, one MUST go from point A to point B. Also, to obtain the Pirate Legend moniker, one MUST level the game loop up to triple-50. second check invalidated.

The game contains no direction. That's like saying Minecraft isn't a sandbox because its got leveling features and an endboss.
Every voyage I am encouraged to check around a little bit to get that extra chest to obtain the only incentive in game. I'd say that's not the only incentive since, ya know it's a sandbox and incentive is up to the player. Mine, for instance, is to have fun.

third check: another logical operator for you: OR, wherein the statement is true if either condition is true. In this case the statement is exclusionary, so SoT does NOT fit the definition if the statement is true. Sea of Thieves has numbered levels, therefore the statement is true, and third check is invalidated.

LSAT pro here. No numbered levels in SoT. Mario has numbered levels. Are you misunderstanding?

Got any more checks?

Put forth what the game means to you; whats your free roaming pirate?

@gloog said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

I fulfilled both conditions. Real first law school vibe coming off you or math major. Put forth your own opinion rather than, dare I say, nitpicking?

No, you didn't. Second condition is changing the world at will. You have no ability to change the world. Not interested in the vibe you're getting, but nice attempt to deflect.

Every voyage I am encouraged to check around a little bit to get that extra chest to obtain the only incentive in game. I'd say that's not the only incentive since, ya know it's a sandbox and incentive is up to the player. Mine, for instance, is to have fun.

I will give you encouragement to roam on the riddles, but its highly tenuous. Mostly you're encouraged to go to the red X or the glowing skull in the sky. Before you start inventing incentive, keep in mind that the point in the original definition is what the game emphasizes, not you. I'll give you 1/3 of a check out of my good graces.

LSAT pro here. No numbered levels in SoT. Mario has numbered levels. Are you misunderstanding?

Different interpretation of "numbered levels". Upon reflection, my interpretation was probably incorrect. I'll give you the check. So basically you have a free-roaming map with little incentive to roam through, which is a conclusion I agree with whole-heartedly.

Put forth what the game means to you; whats your free roaming pirate?

Why? I'm responding to your flawed argument about how SoT conforms to a definition on Google, and nothing more.

@lucid-stew said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

@gloog said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

I fulfilled both conditions. Real first law school vibe coming off you or math major. Put forth your own opinion rather than, dare I say, nitpicking?

No, you didn't. Second condition is changing the world at will.

Have you seen the tavern tales, or my OP, or some comments here?! :)

Put forth what the game means to you; whats your free roaming pirate?

Why? I'm responding to your flawed argument about how SoT conforms to a definition on Google, and nothing more.

Thank you for your insight then. I'll see you on another thread @Lucid-Stew

@assassinsking98 said in The Free Roaming Pirate:

@gloog You've said everything that needs to be said in one of the most well-elaborated and attractive ways I've seen in a while. Can't possibly agree more with your arguments. Thank you for this post.

Thank you! Checking back here/tavern tales has made the forums more refreshing for me. A lot of doomsaying, but nothing beats a good experience story.

@assassinsking98 hey! The deckhands seem to be starting to lock down toxicity and are posing interesting topics for the community to engage in.

Plus, the devs are starting to share more of there vision in the tavern tales. It's looking hopeful here. Props to all - I want to see the devs be more transparent and have conviction toward their ideas.