Weapon Crafting/Modifications

@sweltering-nick said in Weapon Crafting/Modifications:

@sshteeve That's not even the point.

What is the point lol? You hate crafting in games?

All that “crafting” is a loose description of when things change state. It adds depth and isnt just a fad anymore than the first game that allowed character customizations like clothing changes. What some can argue was a fad that games didnt need is actually a standard that most games use and use well, to give their item pools and specific locations, depth of purpose and meaning, making these items and locations, things with a lot of variable use (purpose and meaning to them existing) and in turn the more uses the items have the more sandbox potential the game has to truly play out vastly different and uniquely each session, a core tenet of their design vision and principles.

Adding purpose and meaning to islands through crafting of all merchant goods and use of horizontal session based progression that is balanced and tilted towards the underdogs, and creating an economy of consumables and commodities would not only make the piracy loop better, but just makes sense in a game about earning gold and making stories.

We already have fishing and cooking in a basic form with some session based progression. Things no more unbalanced than that could be added in many ways utilizing a basic cause and effect crafting system, and i would like if some things required teamwork based minigames on specific islands.

Is gathering a bunch of rare pineapples and some crates of fine sugar (possibly with another island game to create these from sugarcane) and going to the grog brewers cave on sailors bounty (that they could add) and doing a fun skill and teamwork based minigame, to create the most valuable fruit grog recipe and then either drink or sell it, while also earning commendations for playing the game efficiently, sound like “crafting”? Yes but to me it sounds like the perfect next step for this game.

Ive been saying things like this for the entirety of my testing and i think if they start with fruits on trees and then work nodes in for all the merchant crate stuff as harvestables, and then work on adding recipes and crafting outcomes and minigames once the “merchanting” potential of the economy itself is there with all items being harvestable, is the way to go.

The animals dropping food and cooking has gotten my hopes up for this type of stuff again..

Examples of what i mean, volcanic stone only harvestable in the devils roar, npc that want to buy goods pay more farther away from where they commonly spawn as harvest nodes, player sales and purchases affect value and so does time of the ingame day and month, etc etc.

All islands gain unique purpose and have reason to visit beyong arbitrary fetch voyages or linear tales, you can just make your own trade route or opportunistically decide based on what you find to harvest, with knowledge of npc values and locations helping.

@badrobott said in Weapon Crafting/Modifications:

@a-cranky-eskimo Well put. It doesn't have to be a focus of the game, but it can add a great deal of depth if implemented correctly.

Exactly. Im not saying “this is what i want everyone to do and thats why it needs to be in the game” im saying “i want to do things through my own choice and decision making, and have that play into piracy, and based on the many merchant items we have already skinned, heres a good way to do it” atleast imo.

This dosnt force anyone who dosnt want to learn that much depth of npc and item knowledge and uses to have to learn it rather than dig up some chests. And anything that is found could be used for all these more in depth purposes, or still just sold at value to a trading company on any outpost.

But it allows the players who truly want to embrace rares social vision about creating stories to actually do so rather than end up bored, and this would also likely increase the amount of goods players travel with becayse unlike the current implementation of “cargo runs” players would be actively harvesting ingredients of lesser value everywhere they went.

Change things like barrels going down with the ship, aswell as adding repercussions for sinking others, and we have a lot more interesting piracy and less perceived as griefing, imo.

@sweltering-nick said in Weapon Crafting/Modifications:

@a-cranky-eskimo Im not even gonna bother to read your entire posts, and just answer the question, because you wouldn't ask that question unless you completely missed the point.

If we add crafting in SoT, the game turns into Atlas.

This game, does not need to be another game, it can be its own game... The way i see it, if you want crafting in your pirate adventure game, play Atlas, don't try to turn this game into Atlas.

Thats a terrible argument, and you should read my posts and if you want anything clarified or have anything youd like to change or say is bad with reasoned complaints i will happily hear them.

Crafting is already in the game. We craft cooked foods on a cooking crafting station.

Nobody is saying go full atlas/minecraft.

Just for SoT to have something (like cooking is now a thing) rather than nothing in that department, because of all the areas of the game it would improve on at the same time. Islands would be richer for exploration, and purposeful with crafting minigames placed around (not unlike cooking pans.. but with more variety) players stories would be more unique. There would be shorter term goals you could create with less steps, it gives more actual reason for alliances and trading if done right.

They are already on the way to doing this and have some basic cause and effect crafting in the game already.

You havnt made any solid point as far as i can see, and to me it reminds me of the times when i have made comments like the devs just are lazy dont want to attempt anything difficult like an economy or a lot of consumables, they only have like 3 animals and sharks and skeletons still, etc. and i hate talking down about rare or this game..

We have a large amount of various merchant items though, from things that would play into cooking to things that if used would have to be considered “crafting”. I think that is the future for SoT adventure mode at some point.

@sweltering-nick said in Weapon Crafting/Modifications:

@a-cranky-eskimo

"Crafting is already in the game. We craft cooked foods on a cooking crafting station."

No. That isn't even remotely crafting.

"Nobody is saying go full atlas/minecraft."

If they add actual crafting, people will get the impression that this is now a crafting game, and will come with infinite amounts of suggestions that would expand the crafting system. Which rare would have no reason not to expand on, because they added crafting, and why not expand on a feature they decided to add?

So yes, if we add crafting, this game WILL turn into Atlas, guaranteed.

You still just sound bigoted against crafting dude. It will not turn into atlas at all, and if some things in games like the general idea of crafting arent entirely unique.. oh well, thats why i suggest making the actual step of “crafting” anything to revolve around fun teamwork and timing/efficiency and knowledge based minigames located on specific islands, so that they could utilize the wealth of merchant items they have to create a basic economy of harvestables, this isnt copying atlas or anyone, except maybe trying to transcend the fun of mario party minigames to an open world with the threat of pvp. Ok so now every ship always has lots of harvested things because every crate can be gathered from nodes placed strategically to influence values along with npc price ranges doing the same, so now there are repercussions for sinking ships rather than just attempting to steal or incapacitate, which should happen to cannons as well as the other damage points, with a new repair tool or material.

They could rework the OoS to be about killing skeleton lords to obtain the maps to their treasure for the GH, who would finally sell keys to open the chests for chances at resources or newly introduced tradeable rare cosmetics, rather than having an empty game with meaningless gold down to the pricing of cosmetics.

Will all this “turn the game into atlas” or is that just one of many bad excuses for this games lackluster progress? I swear at this point its not arrogant to say that they should just give me a call and ill start talking/yelling some sense at these people, though maybe they just need like 4-5 years to develop all this and the fact that cooking and all those merchant items are even there is just a sign of whats to come, lets hope so.

Your argument is just bad though lol.. again, even the action of fixing the ship is a basic form of cause and effect state change where an item is consumed.

Maybe thats not spot on crafting but if you dont see the pieces here for a pirate game idk what to tell ya, agree to disagree at this point, unless you come back with an actual argument. Rare could put a unique spin on merchant crafting for SoT, for sure. Ill be here with ideas when they do.

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@montess-cuervo said in Weapon Crafting/Modifications:

@sweltering-nick
It isn't about making it all about crafting, but adding this element will give the game more content.

Also crafting works, which is why so many games use it.

Actually, crafting is a fad, a dying one, that is currently being replaced by another fad known as "Battle Royale".

Minecraft, ARK, Dark & Light, Atlas, etc... These games are more or less dead, or dying, because crafting DOESN'T work, not anymore.

It worked back when it was new, and fresh, but that's just a fad, fads die because in the long run, they aren't that great. of course, some people still take a shine to crafting in games, those would be the people that still play those games, a minority.

" Minecraft,[...]These games are more or less dead, or dying, because crafting DOESN'T work, not anymore."

List of Best Selling Video Games of ALL TIME!

List of best-selling video games - Wikipedia

would you kindly look who is in #1 place?

Best selling, and most active = very different things.

Not most active != dead. It actually broke that record pretty recently, so people are still spending money on it. It might not be the most popular game any more, but it's definitely not dead or dying.

Just checked its update out this morning (Minecraft for those unaware thats the most sold game ever, damn tablets and mobile phones) and the emergent gameplay, unique story building, range of enemy and passive ai, items and abolities and ways to manipulate the items that are there, makes a game that if you can get past block graphics and pretty poor hitboxes and not the best ai, but good enough to support the adventure/survival feeling, combined with all the games creative modes potential, has exponentially more replayability with the same expectation to have new experiences and encounters every time, as the worlds are procedural and infinite, and can be created infinitely.

There are 2 things i want to mention. The game has that overlaid potential for unique happenings, with the same core gameplay driving the entire thing. Same as SoT, just SoT has fewer procedural spawns, nodes, etc.

The other thing is that while games can be obviously similar and obviously wildly different as mentioned above, this isnt because of crafting.
This is because of many things, like the graphics and physics style, etc, and as mentioned above by steve and implied in this post already, Minecraft and atlas are many things SoT will never be, and SoT is many things that they will never be.

By the very nature of that last statement, if rare sticks to their vision and adds crafting, it wont be similar to those other games. Im not saying that is as easy as making a game like gta with lock on aim and passive modes and then just start selling cars that can fly with rocket launchers with infinite ammo for real money. Terrible money hungry practices.

I was hoping rare was going to do right by us like they said they would.