Save The Ship Inventory!

@wildwhitewolfy Now you're just ad hoc-ing extra mechanics to make it maybe work. Say you implement that cooldown: what happens to the person who sails back to an outpost to save their stuff because they need to leave, but finds that they're only 1/2 through their save-cooldown (e.g. already saved 30 minutes ago)? Are they just doomed to not be able to save that last 30 minutes of progress? You've solved an issue, but introduced another issue by doing it.

The issues aren't just how this idea can exploited, but also that it's just a bad idea for SoT. You have a grave misunderstanding behind the dev's intentions for SoT if you're looking for any form of persistent vertical progression (accumulation of supplies across sessions is just that). One of the major cornerstones of this game is that all players, upon starting a session, are on equal footing with all other players that just started a session. Advantages and disadvantages are gained within a session and lost between them. The game was build that way intentionally. You must either accept that or accept that SoT is not for you.

@halcon7479 Our argument is that it's conceptually a bad idea. No amount of refining or adjusting the details can change that. It's a solution looking for a problem. Losing supplies between sessions is not a problem. It was an intention design choice by the devs. To ask them to change it is to ask them to start making a game other than what they wanted to make

@ambiguousmonk Who said "what they wanted to make". If has post about ideas and concepts of developers, then sorry, I'm wrong. It's not a problem if you can easily sell all of your supplies, or get some profit from looting islands. Many times I play solo session on a smallest ship, and many times I need to reload game. That is ruined my expirience every time.

@ambiguousmonk as I said, sessions have no time limit, so it could be 1 hour for one crew and endless for another one. It's still advantage then.

I'll repeat: I do not think developers made that system specially, it seems like they just didn't have time to do it by other way, also, even if specially - they could change way their thinking on at any time. By any way - untill anyone from developer team will tell me "Yes we will never change this" I will disagree "it's just how this game works".

P.S. 2 players ship vs 4 players ship is not advantage? Crew who gathered resources for few hours vs crew who only loggened in about one minute ago - isn't a advantage? See, still a lot of places to get advantage. But not reason to make additional pain by losing all by logining out

@bumbumbac написал в Save The Ship Inventory!:

Start a new session you start anew - nobody has advantage

Most of time you join in existed session, not a clear one with 6 default ships. A rhetorical question: Where balance in fight between 2 players vs 4 players? Balance in one thing on every ship limitation of players. On every ship you hard to play аlways not enough people. Small ship need 2-4 players, mid - 3-6, galeon 5-7 or more.

@bugaboo-bill yeah, game is perfect already, it's absolutaly needs no changes and any kind of additions.

P.S. No it is not. At the start it was unfinished and everything knows it. But you did findd a "feature" in it..

• New account [x]
• Not using search function [x]
• Proposing a deeply flawed and unbalanced idea [x]
• Having no clue on why things in the game are balanced a certain way [x]
• Ignoring and deflecting all arguments that debunked said idea [x]
• Lashing out when people don't agree. [x]

Bingo!

@bugaboo-bill of course only you can see everything, who I'm to disagree.
I can say two things:
To be balanced, all players should start session in same time and end it in same time, like on Arena. Wanna true-balanced PvP? Go to the Arena.
Crew who gathered resources for few hours still have advantage against crew who loggened-in few minutes ago. It is still disbalance, but seems like you fine with that?
PvE could be disbalanced a bit, it's a sandbox, and it not require balance untill you can ruin game expirence only for yourself, not for other players. And to be honest: I don't think gathering resources (especially if here will be inventory limit for them, to preventing gathering 1000+ of it) is disbalance.

@bloodybil

1. Yes, new.
2. It seems like other threads didn't recieve attention they should, then I'll try to.
3. Why is this unbalanced? Read all post in that thread before leaving a comment like this, please.
4. I understand why, they didn't have time to do it by other way, already told it above, just read.
5. I'm not ignoring, I'm argue and parry them by mine ones, trying to answer to all of them. Open your eyes, please.
6. Can agree that, I hate when people behave themself stupid (I also do it sometimes, but cannot fix it anyway)

@wildwhitewolfy said in Save The Ship Inventory!:

@bloodybil

1. Yes, new.

Welcome!

2. It seems like other threads didn't recieve attention they should, then I'll try to.

This idea has been discussed many times over many threads, which you would have seen if using the search option.

3. Why is this unbalanced? Read all post in that thread before leaving a comment like this, please.

Ironic considering you are ignoring every single posts in this very thread that are explaining why.

4. I understand why, they didn't have time to do it by other way, already told it above, just read.

No, this is by design. The game has been intended that way, to think that this is something that has been overlooked is quite silly.

5. I'm not ignoring, I'm argue and parry them by mine ones, trying to answer to all of them. Open your eyes, please.

You are not parrying much, people bring up arguments, you simply shoot them down and bring up your same points.

6. Can agree that, I hate when people behave themself stupid (I also do it sometimes, but cannot fix it anyway)

It happens, everyone simply need to remain civil to eachother. Conversations can seem heated sometimes but disagreeing over an idea doesn't mean personal attacks.

@bugaboo-bill oldest - not means wiser. If you such an old guy and still didn't understand that, it's even proofs my words.

@bloodybil "Ironic considering you are ignoring every single posts in this very thread that are explaining why." I'll repeat: I'm not ignoring, I'm argue with them and suggesting way to make it more balanced. Can you suggest better way or only "leave all as it is"?

"You are not parrying much, people bring up arguments, you simply shoot them down and bring up your same points." I suggested few options to make it better and prevent abusing. And if we say so, I have all rights to ignore everyone I want, especially if I think they go stupid and I should not to spend my time to people like that.

@bugaboo-bill it will be many battle in future, but I have eyes and brain, yeah, I have less experience than you, but I still will say: that does not mean you see things much better than I do.

@wildwhitewolfy said in Save The Ship Inventory!:

Can you suggest better way or only "leave all as it is"?

In this case no, it's not broken therefore doesn't need fixing.

And if we say so, I have all rights to ignore everyone I want, especially if I think they go stupid and I should not to spend my time to people like that.

Absolutely, and I fully agree. Fair winds and good luck with your thread!

@entspeak session-based it will be when we all will start and end in the same time. It works like session-based, but it's not fully I think. Look like people just did find a feature in unfinished thing.

About your question, I'm not sure I understood it correctly. I suggested to save ships inventory, so, everyone in a crew (or even from enemy crew) could change it. It will be saved for "captain", who owns the ship, party-leader (call it whatever you want).

Reads again Ahh, seems I got you. So, ship can have inventory of player who was randomly chosen as "captain" (like with ships cosmetic). Also, if it will be outposts-storage system, then everyone can. It could be saved for everyplayer then any items they put it. So then they just can put them out for any moment and bring it to the ship. But of course it should have limits. Also I don't see any disbalance in that, cuz for it players still should spend their time to gather resources, whats difference in which session? They spent their time for it by any way.

You don't need to grind to supply your ship, just take everything from the outpost then follow the rule "leave with your pockets empty, come back with your pockets full" at every island you land at on your travels and soon you will have more supplies then you will need for your voyage.

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Resource management and its resets are vital parts of the game balance.

Two equally skilled crews would battle it out until one of them runs out of resources and then they sink, it's a straight forward equation.
What if one crew sinks, quits, joins a new server with default loadout and is met with another crew carrying 1000+ of everything... ? This is much more unfair than what you actually think unfair is, don't you think?

This is absolutly senseless...
I cant count the times i've sunk others ships right after leaving my starting port with only default supplies...
Just dont assume that the more supplies you have the more powerful your ship is cause its just wrong.

@yarrrold I think the same way (didn't write it above, but did think about it), more resources does not mean really more power, it's still skillbased (especially with new ship-damage-system). You will be better prepared, but it's not even a 50% of victory

@galactic-geek I said it also could be called "party-leader" or "host", this guy on whats ship you travel on. Also, it looks like they want to make Captaincy thing

@yarrrold Sure it depends on your skill, but more supplies means better chances of not being sunk. Personally, I think resource stocking would ruin the game, given the addition of Cursed balls and new food items. Imagine how difficult it would be going up against Galleons who invested the time to gather hundreds of cursed cannonballs, or have hundreds of cooked meat items. The imbalance it presents is glaring.

@selcouthrogue hello mister! Please, read we write above - it should be limited. So, then no way to "hundreds of cursed cannonballs". It should came with some inventory-reworking, not just only saving

@selcouthrogue also, for now nothing prevents you to gather "hundreds of cursed cannonballs", so you can easily dominate everyone then. Only difference - you'll lose it not only when you destoyed, but also when you log-out. But you still can get "hundreds of cursed cannonballs" even for now. And that's reason inventory should have limit-and-save system

The ship is a crew asset and any individual save does not make sense.

Supplies have value and keep it due to the situation in which at the start of a session we all start with the same amount.

These are things that impact the world difficulty, safety, combat and is very important factor in balance.

This is a shared world where we all start out on the same footing, let's keep it that way. Need more supplies at the start, suggest Rare to up the starting amounts for everyone not just those that played previously either by a save or by coin. This is an old topic discussed many times before.