Why create cosmetics for 0,001% of players

  • Capitaine Greed
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    I just wanted to share my deception when i found out that some items skins like legendary weapons are only possible to buy if you win 240 games of arena. I'm a PVE player but i still use my sword you know x) It's normal that sea dog items are specifics to arena players and that they are hard to get, but everyone can be a pirate legend without playing arena. If this was about a fishing rod i would understand that you need to fish A LOT of fish while being a legend but swords and guns are used no matter what you do, and it's really frustrating to see that i have to spend 100+ hours in arena with only WINS to get my cosmetics. (25 mins * 240 wins, without the loading screen and the loses, because it's about doing TOP 1, not top 3)

    Just wanted to share my frustration and see if people agree with me :) (I hope there is also casual players on this forum)

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  • Galactic Geek
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    I do think it was a mistake to make it wins; it should be games played, IMO.

  • Capitaine Greed
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    By the way i feel the same for curse of gold, the cosmetic you earn when you do FIVEEEEE times every tales and you find every books. I feel like finding every books would have been enough, i don't think that even 1% of players did that. It's a great cosmetic and it should be rare, but not that rare... I mean i'm not sure that 50% of players actually did every tales (I didn't yet), so asking for five times is really unnecessary.
    It's always 100th of hours spent for a cheap reward. And i don't think they can change it now because it would be a lack of respect for the people who already earned it...

  • Schwammlgott
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    @capitaine-greed what are you talking about 100 hours? All 9 Tall Tales 5 times...you can count 1 hour (most of them much less then that)would be 45 hours, but probably need less than 30 hours...yeah, it's much time, you think maybe a waste of time, but what videogame isn't?

  • Capitaine Greed
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    @schwammlgott It's not 1 hour per tale, not even on calm seas. When you do them for the first time it's more like 2 or 3 hours. When you do them with soluce on internet it can be between 1 hour and 1h30 depending of the tale. If you encounter nothing (Kraken, Megalodon, skeletons ships, other players... everything that make the game interesting actually xD)
    It must be different when you're on a sloop/Galion but from my experience it's not 1 hour per tale (I'm half-casual). Or you must learn me how to speedrun that ahah

  • Da German420
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    the legendary weapons are still on 240 wins ? i thought they reduced to 100?100 feels makeable for me im just on 27 wins around and when i think about 240wins damn i dont wanna play that much arena my plan was ,get all the cosmetics to earn and then buying the rest on levels....

  • Clumsy George
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    @capitaine-greed
    Sir , i understand yer frustration but ...Rare has made some Cosmetics locked under dragonian achievements...Back in the Day when you had to do yer stinking best to become a Legend , these people meant something...A whole lot of them striked Fear in our Hearts but just having a glimpse on their Legendary Clothes ...Today , L-egends are everywhere , still strike fear in Hearts ,but not because of the Cosmetic but their more brutal personna...Some ,not all of course ...But seeing the Cosmetic , one that will be very Rare because you need to have Blood from captain Sparrow , Vane , Flint and Blackbeard in yer veins to achieve 240 wins. Now that Cosmetic will bring fear and respect to those who gaze upon it...

    Yes , it takes time , Blood , sweat and tears to earn this but once you've achieved it , you will have something that not many will wear too…

    It will bring a meaning to Clothes again , something that was stated before this game went to a worldwide release...i know it will take long but once you have it , Pirates will look and behave different to you...Is that a huge price to pay , well , it's a free world , but ...i hope you see what i try to write ( * dream on, george , you moron, not even your own Mother understands your weirdness...fool).

  • Shinten Rai
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    @weedstar-deluxe It was my knowledge that they did change it but they still have a reward for 240 wins. I am not sure if it is a recolor or a different skin entirely though.

  • Cobboobles
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    @capitaine-greed they are obtained by being a legendary sea dog hence the arena wins which isn't even hard to get.

  • Cobboobles
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    @clumsy-george totally agree only the best of the best players will have the weapons within the first few months of being released or being started.

  • K1LROYw4sH3R3
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    Chiming in and going to say that instead of first place wins it should have been kills with the specific weapon in arena.

    1000 kills feels about right. Took about three weeks of playing every evening to reach 200.

  • Captain Coel
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    @weedstar-deluxe Rare was going to reduce it to 100 wins but decided not too and it is still 240.

  • William Flint
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    @capitaine-greed because they knew arena was a pile of garbage and wanted to force the player numbers up?

  • Sweltering Nick
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    @capitaine-greed said in Why create cosmetics for 0,001% of players:

    By the way i feel the same for curse of gold, the cosmetic you earn when you do FIVEEEEE times every tales and you find every books. I feel like finding every books would have been enough, i don't think that even 1% of players did that. It's a great cosmetic and it should be rare, but not that rare... I mean i'm not sure that 50% of players actually did every tales (I didn't yet), so asking for five times is really unnecessary.
    It's always 100th of hours spent for a cheap reward. And i don't think they can change it now because it would be a lack of respect for the people who already earned it...

    https://i.gyazo.com/bdd5dcb4d3d4bb611a65149414b1f72c.png

    btw... i believe only 2% of the total SoT population, are active players, so that's approx... 7,5% of the ACTIVE playerbase has the gold curse. Oh and the number continually rises over time. ;)

    It IS the prestige reward of the tall tales though... You get a lot of cosmetics for doing tall tales. Nobody said it was designed so everyone would have it, nor that everyone SHOULD have it, but speaking as a player that actually has it, it took me less than a week of effort to get, and i wasn't going hardcore, i played in 3 hour intervals over the course of around 5 days or so, taking breaks to watch series and do IRL things.

    First time doing a tall tale takes an hour, sometimes more... Any subsequent run of the same tale, takes way less time, because you know the steps better, and can in some cases, even skip certain steps entirely.

    It seems like a lot, but it's not, it really isn't. :O
    Just do it, stop complaining and just do it, you will find it's not as excessive in practice as it looks on paper. ;)

  • Biter Wylie
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    Play Sea of Thieves instead of Arena mode.

    I am earning about 30 Dubloons every 30 mins collecting Reaper Chests. So two levels per hour.

    I can already buy all 50 Levels of Arena.

  • NeedSmokes
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    I hate the way they tied these weapons to the arena, having done everything to reach pirate legend in adventure, to suddenly be forced to play that mode if I wanted to unlock the set to all of my other cosmetics was ludicrous.
    But I guess if they didn't do that..
    Who would've bothered playing the arena once they reached level 50.

    Many players just won't have the weapons. I doubt I will. The only thing that could entice me currently into the arena would be a seapost so I could be more entertained fishing for 24 mins.

  • Schwammlgott
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    @capitaine-greed sagte in Why create cosmetics for 0,001% of players:

    @schwammlgott It's not 1 hour per tale, not even on calm seas. When you do them for the first time it's more like 2 or 3 hours. When you do them with soluce on internet it can be between 1 hour and 1h30 depending of the tale. If you encounter nothing (Kraken, Megalodon, skeletons ships, other players... everything that make the game interesting actually xD)
    It must be different when you're on a sloop/Galion but from my experience it's not 1 hour per tale (I'm half-casual). Or you must learn me how to speedrun that ahah

    First tale-done in about 30 minutes
    7th tale - with a good crew, done in 15 minutes or maybe less
    9th tale, when you know what to do and know the puzzles, solo, done in 1 hour
    The only tale I know which takes longer, no matter of crew size or experience is "Art of a trickster"...that takes between 60 and 90 minutes

  • Schwammlgott
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    @captain-coel sagte in Why create cosmetics for 0,001% of players:

    @weedstar-deluxe Rare was going to reduce it to 100 wins but decided not too and it is still 240.

    That's why the achievement is just 100 wins...
    The commendation and the weapons require 240 wins...
    That's much, but still doable...

  • IcyMethodMan
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    @galactic-geek said in Why create cosmetics for 0,001% of players:

    I do think it was a mistake to make it wins; it should be games played, IMO.

    That would be way too easy as all you would need to do is afk.

    Honestly I think it should've been 1000 or more kills with a said weapon.

  • Athena Fortune5
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    i agree, because in the anniversary update, Rare gave players the choice to choose 3 factions out of the five - most new players who started after or during the anniversary update mostly don't choose the sea dogs at all. They said you can do pirate legend your way, but when you then say you don't need the sea dogs (in this case) and then say you need some crazy amount of arena wins to get (probably) some of the best rewards for pirate legend and athena's i feel like it just takes away the choices that they once offered the players for pirate legend.

  • Athena Fortune5
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    @icymethodman you say if it was games played people would just go AFK despite the developers Recently saying that they would be adding further Arena penalties etc. - if they were to change it - it would be after that patch where it will be almost impossible to go AFK in arena. - also even if they decide not to add the further penalties for whatever reason - an Arena game lasts 20 minutes and the AFK timeout is 15 minutes and even if you somehow get past that you still have to last through the sea dog's tavern...

  • NeedSmokes
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    @schwammlgott

    Did you watch or follow a "how to" guide on the Tall Tales to complete them first time so fast?
    Because it took me an hour just staring at the book wondering what the hell! Let alone the rest of the time to complete them..

    And if so, what is the point in doing a Tall Tale if you know what to do before you start? Where is the adventure in that? That's just doing it to tick a box.
    Next time there are new Tales, try them without knowing what to do, i bet you will be 3+ hours minimum on your first attempt.

  • CallMeBackdrafT
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    @biter-wylie but you wont be able to buy the pirate legend weapons, no amount of doubloons will make that possible since you need 240 wins

  • CotU42
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    @capitaine-greed

    Weapons are a logical choice to be attached to the Arena. Some might not like it, but in the end they want to provide everyone with rewards for their actions and legends should dabble in all aspects of the game.

    For those that think it is unfair, it is at least a new addition that provides these rewards. Unlike the legendary ship expansions that they added behind commendations for Athena voyages, without backward compatibility...

    I hit Athena 10 before the spoils and have no use to run Athena voyages. I have done them for months before that and this results in me still haven't achieved the commendations, mainly because I am well versed in Athena voyages, had to level from 1 after I hit Legend. They just aren't fun anymore to me, especially after that update, so I don't do them unless it benefits other members in my crew.

    Welcome to legendary status, where your wishes, treatment and priorities are not the focus of these updates and it will take a while till they are. Nor does your title provide grounds to claim anything... you want something do what the game requesting you to do, we all have our own aspects we dislike.

  • IcyMethodMan
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    @athena-fortune5 For PC players it's fairly easy to just add a macro program and bypass the afk timer. But even for Xbox you can just set a timer for yourself to like every 12mins and move around a bit then continue doing something else like for example homework, watching YouTube or do anything really instead of playing the game.

  • Galactic Geek
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    @icymethodman Fair point, but I would like to think people are better than that. Besides, an easy counter to that would be the auto-disconnect after 10 minutes. If every match lasts 24 minutes, then there's no way it would ever count as a completed match as they would be kicked long before then. Once they realize going AFK doesn't work, they would either give it up or actually start playing.

    With that in mind though, they still need to come up with a better way to detect AFK players.

    The weapon kills idea is an interesting 1, but I still think 1k is a bit much (I'd be fine with half that at 500) - also, killing pirates isn't the focus of Arena; turning in loot is.

  • Schwammlgott
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    @needsmokes that wasn't the first time I did them so fast
    The first time took a bit longer...in stars of a thief we stuck a bit and it took about 2 hours...only the 9th took also about that time because we had to find out the codes for the vault, the other tales we finished in about an hour...just the second run to the fith run was under a hour
    All without help from the internet or other crews...when you know the world of SoT that good it's so easy

  • Zormis
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    I don't have a problem with something being rare because it's hard/time consuming to get. This is why I rock the 500 skeleton ship sunk title for the Athena 10 title, everyone and their mom is A10 these days.

  • Galactic Geek
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    @zormis said in Why create cosmetics for 0,001% of players:

    everyone and their mom is A10 these days.

    I'm not... 😭

    ...and neither is my mother! 😡

  • BootMacLir
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    I like that there are some cosmetics that take that much work to get there. I feel that the ease of attaining PL is way over blown ( The first legends did not take very long no matter which you want to go with) however it is just the first step in the wider game. There needs to be some tasks that take that time and effort to achieve. Gives people a goal to work towards.

  • Zormis
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    @galactic-geek said in Why create cosmetics for 0,001% of players:

    @zormis said in Why create cosmetics for 0,001% of players:

    everyone and their mom is A10 these days.

    ...and neither is my mother! 😡

    I admit, I LOLed :)

  • William Flint
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    @zormis I dont care if the qeapons are hard or time consuming to get. I care that we became legends in one game that I want to olay, and the jerks at Rare insist we play a different, lesser game to finish our legend set.

  • Athena Fortune5
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    @icymethodman sounds like you might be doing it yourself ;)

  • OtherFanboy
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    So iv seen this type of post before and I’ll say about the same I said there I agree there should be more than one way to get those cosmetics and the middle ground is this add sea dog commendations to Adventure mode but keep them PVP ONLY so for example Get X amount Player Ship Sinks or Turn in X amount of Stolen GH,OoS,MA,HC and as there fear goes make it either get it vis arena or adventure mode commendations

  • Nefrit Od
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    Why create cosmetics for 0,001% of players

    Because its for those who WAN'T and DESERVE those cosmetics.

    And stop making topics that already been on forums like 100 times

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