The Brig : How to make it useful and give it importance in gameplay (POLL into some ideas)

"To make it a little more punishing, it will be impossible for the prisoner to get back to his ship with a mermaid before the countdown of 4 minutes is over"

That's overkill.

"First, the goal here is to force players to think twice before they come aboard an enemy ship. It must be a more dangerous moment where people think it will be better to attack the ship with a crewmate and not alone."

That is brilliant, at first I was very skeptical of the idea, now I think I can get behind it, very good job.

Some observations:

• What happens if I blow a gunpower barrel inside the enemy ship, does it count as a kill for the brig?
• Make sure you only get sent to the brig by getting killed in the enemy ship itself (standing on the solid model of the ship), getting killed around the enemy ship may be exploitable. (Also check for jumping)
• Removing weapons from players may cause unintended interactions, instead deplete their ammo.
• What about solo players? Should they get brigged or be immune?

@urihamrayne a dit dans The Brig : How to make it useful and give it importance in gameplay :

"To make it a little more punishing, it will be impossible for the prisoner to get back to his ship with a mermaid before the countdown of 4 minutes is over"

That's overkill.

Maybe, but if you could take the mermaid immediatly after being released, then there's 2 solutions :

• Allow the prisoner to choose to get back to the mermaid immediatly or get back into the enemy ship to try to get his revenge
• Immediatly respawn the prisoner into his ship BUT in this case, you'll respawn without your ressources (cannonballs, bananas, wooden planks)

Another possibility, keeping the first idea of a countdown, is to reduce the spawn of the mermaid to 1 minute, BUT 2 sharks spawn at the same time the prisoner is released. It would not be that difficult to survive 1 minute with sharks.

About your 3 points :

• Of course, it does. So the player will be sent back to the Ferry of the Damned and then respawn on his ship. But you made me realize I didn't speak about one point, thank you, I'll edit my post ;)
• At this time, the ship is flooded by the Cursed Chest of Sorrow, so we could just imagine that the area where the ship is affected by the power of the chest would be the same for this feature
• Remove the weapons is to be sure he will have nothing to attack a player from the enemy crew. If you just deplete his ammo, he could attack players with a cutlass. What kind of interactions are you thinking about ?

@grievous32

"What kind of interactions are you thinking about ?"

We already have a really hard time dealing with people spawning without the ability to use their weapons, or they can't change them, may be spagetti code, but if you were to implement this in the current game build you'd probably have a few unwanted glitches. Depleting ammo is safer, also the cutlass doesn't have that much range, not that much of a big deal, though I know that you intended for players to not be able to attack, its just a problem with the game's build itself.

"At this time, the ship is flooded by the Cursed Chest of Sorrow, so we could just imagine that the area where the ship is affected by the power of the chest would be the same for this feature"

Weird wording, but I think I get it. So every floodable area of the ship is the area considered for this brig feature? That means that the top deck with the cannons, the captain's quarters, the masts and the crows nest will not send you to the brig if you die standing in them, correct?

"Of course, it does. So the player will be sent back to the Ferry of the Damned and then respawn on his ship."

So you mean that if you kill yourself with a barrel inside the enemy ship you won't be brigged, instead you spawn on your own boat?

And another thing, drop this mermaid punishment idea, it's already obnoxious that you have to be teleported out of the ship and then you also have to deal with another teleport through the mermaid, just have the guy tp back to his ship after the 5 minutes expires, as if he just respawned.

@urihamrayne

If it's just a problem with the programmation, I think even if it would create unintended things, it's just a programmation... The fact is if there's a hole beside the Brig, I'm afraid the prisoner could attack a guy who's repair the ship. Also, if 2 crews attack a ship at the same time, and 1 member from 2 different crews get killed on the same 3rd enemy ship, then they could fight each other into the Brig.

Yep, sorry, I'm french, I do my best to be clear, that's not always very easy =') Also, no, I talk about the area where the Chest of Sorrow affects a ship with its curse. So everywhere on the ship, except the 2 ladders on the sides.

Nop sorry, I didn't understand first and when I answered you, I thought I deleted everything I answered before... =') So no, if you kill yourself with a barrel, you'll die inside the ship, if the ship is not sinking when you respawn, then you're inside the Brig. It will be a good way to force people to play smarter than currently. Because when you're inside a ship with a gunpowder barrel, you have the possibility to make it explode without diying. If you want to die with the explosion, then you'll just have to drop the barrel under the ship (I didn't test it yet, but I think the 1.0.4 make the gunpowder barrels deadly even underwater now right ?).

Why not, I understand your point of view, and I count your vote to number 1. I think it's important people lose their ressources sometimes. When you die, I don't understand that you steal keep all your ressources so if death steal you all your bananas, cannonballs and wooden planks, then as you have to die before being sent into the Brig, you'll have your ressources lost. But if this feature is not implanted yet, then I think it's important to make it.

@grievous32 Much clearer now.

I always think about game limitations first, its very upseting to deal with glitches, so I wanted to avoid anything involving odd interactions, in any case, I agree that the brigged pirate can't attack people, annoying to deal with it while the ship needs repairs.

"I meant any area where the Chest of Sorrow would affect a ship with its curse"
"If you kill yourself with a barrel [...] then you're sent to the Brig."

Yep that is good, I'm on board with this.

Now about solo people, this is quite important, they are at an inherent disadvantage, getting killed is already a big deal when dealing with 4 man crews, I don't think they need even less reason to pick a fight with a galleon. Maybe the brig imprisonment would only affect galleon crews? Or solos/duos never get sent to the enemy brig? Or you just go screw it, brig everyone?

@urihamrayne I think if a solo player or a member from a crew of 2 guys (or even both guys from a sloop) is/are attacking another ship and get killed because he/they was/were aboard the enemy ship, they took a risk knowing the consequences.

If I play solo, it's just my point of view, but you're insider, you'll probably think like me, I will NEVER go aboard an enemy ship, or maybe "just" to drop their anchor because they follow me, but I will certainly never try to fight the enemy crew. I'll certainly die trying this, it's too rare to win a 1 vs morethan1.

This is just like the pirate code at the tavern. Everyone is concerned by this code, but no one is forced to respect everything on it (I mean, we all met insulting people, trolls etc.) if you're on a galleon, nothing will prevent you to attack a solo player, as if you're a solo player, nothing will prevent you to attack a galleon. But if you're a solo player, nothing force you to come aboard the enemy ship if you're attacked by another ship, but if you kill one of the enemy who come on YOUR ship, then as a solo player, you'll have a prisoner in your Brig (and damn, now I think about it, what a gooood feeling it must be =') ).

@grievous32 Fair enough, I'll be hoping to see these ideas take shape and maybe in the future Rare could apply them.

@lotrmith we didn't be in the same crew together. How can I know ? =o

Anyway, I do it too, but it's really rare.

@Admiral-RRRSole I agree, but all the roleplay side would be left then. Also when you're a solo player, if you're not in your ship, you don't know what happened to it. You can't be sure you'll find it still floating in the sea when you'll come back.

The fact is if you are inside the Brig of YOUR ship, you'll be teleported anyway when you'll be released. So if you're teleported from your Brig to your ship... then it would not change anything if you're teleported from an enemy crew's Brig to your ship.

Also, by making a prisoner into an enemy Brig, it allows enemy crew to kill you if they want, to release you when they want, and for a solo player, the feeling to see an enemy pirate in your Brig must be really satisfying. Finally, if you are a friend of a prisoner, then you could release him by yourself but then we'll need to have an animation for the door.

@admiral-rrrsole then maybe instead of spawn into the Ferry of the Damned, if you get killed inside an enemy ship, you'll respawn directly inside the Brig after the download ?

This is not that difficult, you can abuse a lot of time of the mermaid to spawn somewhere. I don't think this is so difficult to do. I mean... They made the most beautiful water in a video game, and the programmation is perfect to make the ships sailing on the sea. I don't think a teleportation system is really a big problem.

I'm not so evil, but I had so much people wanting to sink my ship and fought me on my board I'd love to see some of them inside my Brig just to remind them they are too the wrong side of the bars =')

Also the Brig takes space in the ship while we could have a table to play some Poker instead, but if nobody use the Brig, then why should we keep it ? Rare will soon allow players to create private ship so...

@admiral-rrrsole I understand your point of view, but I still think respawn into your Brig or respawn into the Brig of the enemy ship you were doesn't change anything. Maybe the only problem would be to program something to make the game respawn you inside this particular Brig, but... I don't know, it doesn't seem too difficult I think, they already make you spawn on your ship in the middle of the sea when you come at a mermaid, you sometimes respawn on an island when your ship has sunk... Don't sure it's too difficult.

The real problem is clearly the time you wait on the loading screen, indeed. Then if the Brig is not useful, when private match will come, I just hope to see something else instead.

@admiral-rrrsole

"Die and get teleported to Ferry of the damned
Teleport from there to enemy brig
Teleport yet again from there to your own ship."

I'm running on a low end PC here and I never had any trouble coming from the overworld to the ferry, the only worrying tp would be from the enemy brig to outside the enemy ship, that would just create an extra teleport from outside to the original ship. The way it should be is exacly as I quoted above, it is pretty straightfoward, doesn't have much in terms of programming problems.

@admiral-rrrsole

"Teleport from there / re-spawn to you own brig."

you missed the point of OP's post entirely.

@admiral-rrrsole you sent the guy back to his ship to his own brig, there is no interaction there, OP wants them to be on the enemy ship, and that is what this post is for, mainly to make more use of the brig, but not sending him to be locked as a prisoner for you is entirely missing the point of the whole prisioner mechanics op mentioned.

@ttargetpractice a dit dans The Brig : How to make it useful and give it importance in gameplay (POLL into some ideas) :

The ferry of the damned should be cut out entirely, as previously mentioned. When your health is depleted on an enemy ship you could spawn directly in the brig.

As for the poll, I'd vote 1. The player is teleported to their ship when the time expires.

If they'd like to take it a step further, allow the crew to have some control over the captive's release. You can't force them to teleport back to their ship, but you can "release from brig" and have them stay on the ship or "walk the plank" which throws them overboard.

I thought about that but if you do it, and if the enemy is killed again, he should be sent back into the Brig so... That's why I wanted to make him spawn in the water, to give this RP moment where the crew release a prisoner and watch him get eaten by sharks.

@admiral-rrrsole a dit dans The Brig : How to make it useful and give it importance in gameplay (POLL into some ideas) :

@grievous32 Maybe I misunderstood your initial post.
I thought you said...
If a player is killed on your ship they get teleported to the brig of your ship after the ferry of the damned.
Then after some time (or if they are killed in your brig) they get teleported again to their ship as a free man/woman.

This to me was one too many teleports in concession.

Die and get teleported to Ferry of the damned
Teleport from there to enemy brig
Teleport yet again from there to your own ship.

It has all of the elements a programmer's nightmares are made of. lol

I don't think it's a real problem. At the beginning of the Alpha, when you died, you were teleported to the Ferry of the Damn, then teleported beside the mermaid if your ship sunk, and finally teleported in your ship or to the island where your ship has respawned. Now, if your ship is sinking while you're on the Ferry of the Damned, you'll be teleported directly to your ship and not beside the mermaid. It has been changed not because of too many teleportation, but to prevent spawn kills. I don't think that's a real problem. The only problem here is to make a guy spawn into the good Brig which is not the Brig of his own ship, I think it's the challenge but nothing more.

@regegamega125 why not, but in a fight, how would you do that ? Even if the game is slow, compared to other FPS, the combats are really nervous. If you have to choose this in the settings, it will be too long and you'll be vulnerable.

I like this idea. Also for the poll, option 1 is the best..
Though 3 doesn't sound bad. I think 2 is a bit too much.