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@tak225 said in Another crossplay discussion:

All joking aside optional cross play defo needs to happen pve servers and private servers I guess are a discussion for another day

Defo not PvE servers. 😁😁😁

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@troubled-cells I understand that, but I honestly believe they are here trolling

None of this is suggestions for this game, they are suggestions for a different game entirely.

@PrincessAsuna96 , and @StaceyXsX - I am asking seriously, would you not prefer a single player SoT?

Don't tag me in anymore posts, the fact that you blatantly said youre looking for an argument is enough for me not to respond to you anymore 😘

Wow, no where have I said I'm looking for an argument, nice try gaslighting.

It's funny you can't even answer the question in the quote....so sad not adult enough to discuss you own short comings so you do the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "lalalala I'm not listening"

Just proving what I already believe you aren't even old enough to be playing this game

"Me? I like arguing. Let's keep going, what else do you have"?

🙄🙄 So you didn't post that no? As I said please stop speaking to me, I've made this post and got some good tips etc and Id rather not waste my time on someone who just likes an argument.

HAHAHA Actually I never said that, looks like someone else needs a reading lesson

Actually you did, page 5. Right around when I decided I didn't wanna discuss it with you anymore. Screenshotted it in case you need a reminder😊

I do need a refresher as I never said that, quote it here if you're so certain. I know someone who said that.

And you talk of delusions

Lol sorry wrong person 😂😂 either way I can't be bothered arguing with any of you. Unless you have some good information/advice I'm not gonna bother answering because honestly I just don't need the grief🤷‍♀️

Hahahaha not even an apology, and I haven't been arguing I have been trying to have a discussion but all I get from any of you is "we want opt out now, wa wa wa"

I did ask what would you propose as you said you would be happy with cross play if that balanced it, so ok how? Or what ideas do you have?

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@troubled-cells I understand that, but I honestly believe they are here trolling

None of this is suggestions for this game, they are suggestions for a different game entirely.

@PrincessAsuna96 , and @StaceyXsX - I am asking seriously, would you not prefer a single player SoT?

Don't tag me in anymore posts, the fact that you blatantly said youre looking for an argument is enough for me not to respond to you anymore 😘

Wow, no where have I said I'm looking for an argument, nice try gaslighting.

It's funny you can't even answer the question in the quote....so sad not adult enough to discuss you own short comings so you do the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "lalalala I'm not listening"

Just proving what I already believe you aren't even old enough to be playing this game

"Me? I like arguing. Let's keep going, what else do you have"?

🙄🙄 So you didn't post that no? As I said please stop speaking to me, I've made this post and got some good tips etc and Id rather not waste my time on someone who just likes an argument.

HAHAHA Actually I never said that, looks like someone else needs a reading lesson

Actually you did, page 5. Right around when I decided I didn't wanna discuss it with you anymore. Screenshotted it in case you need a reminder😊

I do need a refresher as I never said that, quote it here if you're so certain. I know someone who said that.

And you talk of delusions

Lol sorry wrong person 😂😂 either way I can't be bothered arguing with any of you. Unless you have some good information/advice I'm not gonna bother answering because honestly I just don't need the grief🤷‍♀️

Hahahaha not even an apology, and I haven't been arguing I have been trying to have a discussion but all I get from any of you is "we want opt out now, wa wa wa"

I did ask what would you propose as you said you would be happy with cross play if that balanced it, so ok how? Or what ideas do you have?

What does the 2nd word say🙄🙄 looks like someone needs a reading lesson

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@troubled-cells I understand that, but I honestly believe they are here trolling

None of this is suggestions for this game, they are suggestions for a different game entirely.

@PrincessAsuna96 , and @StaceyXsX - I am asking seriously, would you not prefer a single player SoT?

Don't tag me in anymore posts, the fact that you blatantly said youre looking for an argument is enough for me not to respond to you anymore 😘

Wow, no where have I said I'm looking for an argument, nice try gaslighting.

It's funny you can't even answer the question in the quote....so sad not adult enough to discuss you own short comings so you do the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "lalalala I'm not listening"

Just proving what I already believe you aren't even old enough to be playing this game

"Me? I like arguing. Let's keep going, what else do you have"?

🙄🙄 So you didn't post that no? As I said please stop speaking to me, I've made this post and got some good tips etc and Id rather not waste my time on someone who just likes an argument.

HAHAHA Actually I never said that, looks like someone else needs a reading lesson

Actually you did, page 5. Right around when I decided I didn't wanna discuss it with you anymore. Screenshotted it in case you need a reminder😊

I do need a refresher as I never said that, quote it here if you're so certain. I know someone who said that.

And you talk of delusions

Lol sorry wrong person 😂😂 either way I can't be bothered arguing with any of you. Unless you have some good information/advice I'm not gonna bother answering because honestly I just don't need the grief🤷‍♀️

Hahahaha not even an apology, and I haven't been arguing I have been trying to have a discussion but all I get from any of you is "we want opt out now, wa wa wa"

I did ask what would you propose as you said you would be happy with cross play if that balanced it, so ok how? Or what ideas do you have?

What does the 2nd word say🙄🙄 looks like someone needs a reading lesson

So you don't have any ideas just know how to spot when a that should be a they but ok

@tak225 said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro this forum is not representative of anything there enough people asking for it on twitter and other avenues aswell and I would imagine alot of Xbox plauers have been harrased out of here by the same guys and still the subject still remains hopefully rare are paying attention and looking to deliver what they said they would not n the Jan developer update you may not agree as is your right but people should have the option always even the pc community should have the choice

This 🙌🙌🙌 pc should have just as much of a choice and if it was the other way about I can guarantee xbox would not be hounding and abusing people for stating their opinions

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@troubled-cells I understand that, but I honestly believe they are here trolling

None of this is suggestions for this game, they are suggestions for a different game entirely.

@PrincessAsuna96 , and @StaceyXsX - I am asking seriously, would you not prefer a single player SoT?

Don't tag me in anymore posts, the fact that you blatantly said youre looking for an argument is enough for me not to respond to you anymore 😘

Wow, no where have I said I'm looking for an argument, nice try gaslighting.

It's funny you can't even answer the question in the quote....so sad not adult enough to discuss you own short comings so you do the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "lalalala I'm not listening"

Just proving what I already believe you aren't even old enough to be playing this game

"Me? I like arguing. Let's keep going, what else do you have"?

🙄🙄 So you didn't post that no? As I said please stop speaking to me, I've made this post and got some good tips etc and Id rather not waste my time on someone who just likes an argument.

HAHAHA Actually I never said that, looks like someone else needs a reading lesson

Actually you did, page 5. Right around when I decided I didn't wanna discuss it with you anymore. Screenshotted it in case you need a reminder😊

I do need a refresher as I never said that, quote it here if you're so certain. I know someone who said that.

And you talk of delusions

Lol sorry wrong person 😂😂 either way I can't be bothered arguing with any of you. Unless you have some good information/advice I'm not gonna bother answering because honestly I just don't need the grief🤷‍♀️

Hahahaha not even an apology, and I haven't been arguing I have been trying to have a discussion but all I get from any of you is "we want opt out now, wa wa wa"

I did ask what would you propose as you said you would be happy with cross play if that balanced it, so ok how? Or what ideas do you have?

What does the 2nd word say🙄🙄 looks like someone needs a reading lesson

So you don't have any ideas just know how to spot when a that should be a they but ok

I didn't even notice your mistake I was referring to the fact you said not even an apology when the 2nd word on my post literally said sorry. Stop jumping down people's throats.

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@tak225 said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro this forum is not representative of anything there enough people asking for it on twitter and other avenues aswell and I would imagine alot of Xbox plauers have been harrased out of here by the same guys and still the subject still remains hopefully rare are paying attention and looking to deliver what they said they would not n the Jan developer update you may not agree as is your right but people should have the option always even the pc community should have the choice

This 🙌🙌🙌 pc should have just as much of a choice and if it was the other way about I can guarantee xbox would not be hounding and abusing people for staring their opinions

You keep trying to play the victim here, nobody has abused or harrased you really all we are doing is disagreeing with you and trying to find out why you think what you think, it's called having a discussion.

It's becoming evidently clear that none of you want a discussion, you just want to cry about not having opt out yet

@tak225 said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx that's what they want to harras you into giving up hoping that rare won't implement this just take a break and every now and again pop up and remind rarebyoi want optional cross play leaving is what bmthese guys want they don't want people asking for this

Honestly? Is that's what you really think?

If we were so against opt out we'd have been doing what you are and creating a post everyday about how they should revoke the opt-out plan.

But we haven't so that is a false statement

@tak225 said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx facts

You are literally trolling now

@tak225 said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx facts

Straight facts😂

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@troubled-cells I understand that, but I honestly believe they are here trolling

None of this is suggestions for this game, they are suggestions for a different game entirely.

@PrincessAsuna96 , and @StaceyXsX - I am asking seriously, would you not prefer a single player SoT?

Don't tag me in anymore posts, the fact that you blatantly said youre looking for an argument is enough for me not to respond to you anymore 😘

Wow, no where have I said I'm looking for an argument, nice try gaslighting.

It's funny you can't even answer the question in the quote....so sad not adult enough to discuss you own short comings so you do the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "lalalala I'm not listening"

Just proving what I already believe you aren't even old enough to be playing this game

"Me? I like arguing. Let's keep going, what else do you have"?

🙄🙄 So you didn't post that no? As I said please stop speaking to me, I've made this post and got some good tips etc and Id rather not waste my time on someone who just likes an argument.

HAHAHA Actually I never said that, looks like someone else needs a reading lesson

Actually you did, page 5. Right around when I decided I didn't wanna discuss it with you anymore. Screenshotted it in case you need a reminder😊

I do need a refresher as I never said that, quote it here if you're so certain. I know someone who said that.

And you talk of delusions

Lol sorry wrong person 😂😂 either way I can't be bothered arguing with any of you. Unless you have some good information/advice I'm not gonna bother answering because honestly I just don't need the grief🤷‍♀️

Hahahaha not even an apology, and I haven't been arguing I have been trying to have a discussion but all I get from any of you is "we want opt out now, wa wa wa"

I did ask what would you propose as you said you would be happy with cross play if that balanced it, so ok how? Or what ideas do you have?

What does the 2nd word say🙄🙄 looks like someone needs a reading lesson

So you don't have any ideas just know how to spot when a that should be a they but ok

I didn't even notice your mistake I was referring to the fact you said not even an apology when the 2nd word on my post literally said sorry. Stop jumping down people's throats.

Fair one you are right I only saw the " it was another person bit" for that I'm sorry

I am honestly wanting to know tho what would it take in your mind to keep cross play?

@badassfro Would all PC players jump for joy if there was a mandatory hard input control scheme of controller only input? Both platforms could only play this game if you had a controller.

@tak225 said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro well you guys are persistent but like I said this forum is representative of anything and either way rare have said it's coming and they should deliver the amount of time it's taking is a bit annoying to say the least but this needs to happen most games with cross okay has a opt out so should this

So why are we here? Rare have already announced it, we haven't been posting everyday to revoke it, so why can't you just wait for it to happen, all we have tried to do in all these threads is ask why you feel that way

@inboundbomb said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro Would all PC players jump for joy if there was a mandatory hard input control scheme of controller only input? Both platforms could only play this game if you had a controller.

It would be a start,

@badassfro 👍

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@troubled-cells I understand that, but I honestly believe they are here trolling

None of this is suggestions for this game, they are suggestions for a different game entirely.

@PrincessAsuna96 , and @StaceyXsX - I am asking seriously, would you not prefer a single player SoT?

Don't tag me in anymore posts, the fact that you blatantly said youre looking for an argument is enough for me not to respond to you anymore 😘

Wow, no where have I said I'm looking for an argument, nice try gaslighting.

It's funny you can't even answer the question in the quote....so sad not adult enough to discuss you own short comings so you do the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "lalalala I'm not listening"

Just proving what I already believe you aren't even old enough to be playing this game

"Me? I like arguing. Let's keep going, what else do you have"?

🙄🙄 So you didn't post that no? As I said please stop speaking to me, I've made this post and got some good tips etc and Id rather not waste my time on someone who just likes an argument.

HAHAHA Actually I never said that, looks like someone else needs a reading lesson

Actually you did, page 5. Right around when I decided I didn't wanna discuss it with you anymore. Screenshotted it in case you need a reminder😊

I do need a refresher as I never said that, quote it here if you're so certain. I know someone who said that.

And you talk of delusions

Lol sorry wrong person 😂😂 either way I can't be bothered arguing with any of you. Unless you have some good information/advice I'm not gonna bother answering because honestly I just don't need the grief🤷‍♀️

Hahahaha not even an apology, and I haven't been arguing I have been trying to have a discussion but all I get from any of you is "we want opt out now, wa wa wa"

I did ask what would you propose as you said you would be happy with cross play if that balanced it, so ok how? Or what ideas do you have?

What does the 2nd word say🙄🙄 looks like someone needs a reading lesson

So you don't have any ideas just know how to spot when a that should be a they but ok

I didn't even notice your mistake I was referring to the fact you said not even an apology when the 2nd word on my post literally said sorry. Stop jumping down people's throats.

Fair one you are right I only saw the " it was another person bit" for that I'm sorry

I am honestly wanting to know tho what would it take in your mind to keep cross play?

It's OK I made a mistake as well, these posts do tend to get a tad heated😂 I honestly don't know maybe look into balancing the combat a bit as it's not in a great state right now with the sword lock etc. I like playing with PC and don't wanna lose that as I said some of the best things I learned from the game were from PC players. But when I'm constantly griefed by someone and they have blatant advantages to grief it just kinda disheartens you. For myself though I got some great advice about trying m&k and SSD's etc so maybe that's what I need to be doing.

@badassfro It’s the only compromise I could come up with to keep us all playing together.

@inboundbomb said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro It’s the only compromise I could come up with to keep us all playing together.

Maybe try what fortnite does and give console some slight aim assist?

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@troubled-cells I understand that, but I honestly believe they are here trolling

None of this is suggestions for this game, they are suggestions for a different game entirely.

@PrincessAsuna96 , and @StaceyXsX - I am asking seriously, would you not prefer a single player SoT?

Don't tag me in anymore posts, the fact that you blatantly said youre looking for an argument is enough for me not to respond to you anymore 😘

Wow, no where have I said I'm looking for an argument, nice try gaslighting.

It's funny you can't even answer the question in the quote....so sad not adult enough to discuss you own short comings so you do the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "lalalala I'm not listening"

Just proving what I already believe you aren't even old enough to be playing this game

"Me? I like arguing. Let's keep going, what else do you have"?

🙄🙄 So you didn't post that no? As I said please stop speaking to me, I've made this post and got some good tips etc and Id rather not waste my time on someone who just likes an argument.

HAHAHA Actually I never said that, looks like someone else needs a reading lesson

Actually you did, page 5. Right around when I decided I didn't wanna discuss it with you anymore. Screenshotted it in case you need a reminder😊

I do need a refresher as I never said that, quote it here if you're so certain. I know someone who said that.

And you talk of delusions

Lol sorry wrong person 😂😂 either way I can't be bothered arguing with any of you. Unless you have some good information/advice I'm not gonna bother answering because honestly I just don't need the grief🤷‍♀️

Hahahaha not even an apology, and I haven't been arguing I have been trying to have a discussion but all I get from any of you is "we want opt out now, wa wa wa"

I did ask what would you propose as you said you would be happy with cross play if that balanced it, so ok how? Or what ideas do you have?

What does the 2nd word say🙄🙄 looks like someone needs a reading lesson

So you don't have any ideas just know how to spot when a that should be a they but ok

I didn't even notice your mistake I was referring to the fact you said not even an apology when the 2nd word on my post literally said sorry. Stop jumping down people's throats.

Fair one you are right I only saw the " it was another person bit" for that I'm sorry

I am honestly wanting to know tho what would it take in your mind to keep cross play?

It's OK I made a mistake as well, these posts do tend to get a tad heated😂 I honestly don't know maybe look into balancing the combat a bit as it's not in a great state right now with the sword lock etc. I like playing with PC and don't wanna lose that as I said some of the best things I learned from the game were from PC players. But when I'm constantly griefed by someone and they have blatant advantages to grief it just kinda disheartens you. For myself though I got some great advice about trying m&k and SSD's etc so maybe that's what I need to be doing.

Like I've said it's only because we all all passionate about the game.

I completely agree combat needs looking at for PvE it's ok but that is alot more forgiving thean PvP, I do think they have been trying a few things to balance things out. I know everyone hates the sword lock but that is one of those balances that they are testing

I think it's the hit reg that really tilts people, there are something even I think I'm up against a cheater because it's so poor

@tak225 said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro we are here because it should be here by now perhaps there just lazy developers maybe they have changed there mind and are too scared to say anything maybe there too busy making pets I don't know but I think 10 month is long enough and they need to get on with it we don't want the messing around like it's a Brexit a good portion of the Xbox community what optional cross play for those that don't there welcome to stay in the mixed pool we ain't asking for the removal of cross play just the choice to choose where we do any how think that's me for a few days on this forum but I will be back to remind rare this is what we want peace ✌️

Quiet, the adults are talking

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@inboundbomb said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro It’s the only compromise I could come up with to keep us all playing together.

Maybe try what fortnite does and give console some slight aim assist?

Aim assist is cheating in my mind to be honest and it never works properly as intended.

@inboundbomb said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@inboundbomb said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro It’s the only compromise I could come up with to keep us all playing together.

Maybe try what fortnite does and give console some slight aim assist?

Aim assist is cheating in my mind to be honest and it never works properly as intended.

I know it is a bit OP I just can't think of anything else that would balance the game as needed.

@inboundbomb said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@inboundbomb said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro It’s the only compromise I could come up with to keep us all playing together.

Maybe try what fortnite does and give console some slight aim assist?

Aim assist is cheating in my mind to be honest and it never works properly as intended.

I agree it was also tested on SoTs too, but it found to hamper fighting groups of Skelly's as you couldn't focus on the one you wanted

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@inboundbomb said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@inboundbomb said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro It’s the only compromise I could come up with to keep us all playing together.

Maybe try what fortnite does and give console some slight aim assist?

Aim assist is cheating in my mind to be honest and it never works properly as intended.

I know it is a bit OP I just can't think of anything else that would balance the game as needed.

To be honest with what I’ve read and heard since beta is that PC can do so much more with k&m. I didn’t let it bother me as it did others but it is apparent in gameplay. We do have an option of purchasing said hardware for ourselves but at the same time why can’t PC do the same and play like us. To make things equal you have to disable what makes us separate from one another.

@badassfro said in Another crossplay discussion:

@inboundbomb said in Another crossplay discussion:

@staceyxsx said in Another crossplay discussion:

@inboundbomb said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro It’s the only compromise I could come up with to keep us all playing together.

Maybe try what fortnite does and give console some slight aim assist?

Aim assist is cheating in my mind to be honest and it never works properly as intended.

I agree it was also tested on SoTs too, but it found to hamper fighting groups of Skelly's as you couldn't focus on the one you wanted

This exactly was what I was meaning and it applies to every game out there that has this feature.

@tak225 said in Another crossplay discussion:

@badassfro we are here because it should be here by now perhaps there just lazy developers maybe they have changed there mind and are too scared to say anything maybe there too busy making pets I don't know but I think 10 month is long enough and they need to get on with it we don't want the messing around like it's a Brexit a good portion of the Xbox community what optional cross play for those that don't there welcome to stay in the mixed pool we ain't asking for the removal of cross play just the choice to choose where we do any how think that's me for a few days on this forum but I will be back to remind rare this is what we want peace ✌️

Ooh calling them lazy, that will certainly entice them to introduce it in Adventure...

It took them longer than they expected, so it wasn't as easy a job as they thought. I think they rather not f* up again for people playing in Adventure. Also they might take a look at
(a) data - e.g.

• how many of the people have returned as they said when it was introduced,
• how many keep on playing
• impact of the mixed pool

(b) feedback, and to be honest, for something that loads of Xbox players wanted, it's not very much appreciated around here - maybe more on other platforms

Anyway, if the numbers are low and positive comments is almost non-existent, I would change the allocation of resources. Too bad their communication about this is lacking.

Edit: removed 'also' in penultimate sentence, and typo fix.

@Deckhands please drop anchor on this now