Letter of recommendation for allegiance, please?

  • Greetings, I would like to suggest something that I hope the developers take into consideration.

    I think letter of recommendations for the allegiance levels would be a good idea, it could be a good doubloon sink for those who want to spend theirs, and would ease the road to the curses for those who struggle to level up.
    They could work just like it worked for the other factions, buying one letter for some doubloons to level up.
    Reapers don't accept letter of recommendation for their faction from Larinna due to the lore description that the Reaper Bones are in conflict with the others. So, perhaps their letter could be bought from the Servant of the Flame himself, while the guardians of fortune could obtain them in the normal way.

    Please, Rare developers, take this into consideration. Thanks for reading and have a nice day.

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  • @dragotech123

    never liked any of the letters of recommendation and also dont like the idea for these new factions

    IF this gets implemented however it should at the very least have the same limitations as the current ones, being, max one letter per faction per month

    lvl 100 would then mean 100 months (8.3 years)
    lvl 1000 would be unfeasable.

  • would ease the road to the curses for those who struggle to level up.

    That the point of this. Like D1, Pirate Legend should of always been a Earned reward, not bought.
    Unless the make the doubloon purchase say 500 for One lvl and only able to buy one Once every 3 months.

    it could be a good doubloon sink for those who want to spend theirs

    Always welcome idea as long it doesn't make things "easy to receive" Maybe if they put a cap on it, say Once you reach lvl 80 can't buy anymore.

  • XP multiplier instead? For like 3 invasions lol.

    If they add this in any form, Reaper's needs one too.

    From the girl who thinks selling supplies is a bad idea 😅

  • I agree we should have letter of recommendations. I even think allowing us to buy 5 a month instead of one isn't unreasonable since the grind is so long. If someone never PvPed with this system at all and just bought lvls at 5 a month it would take over 16.5 years to buy your way to lvl 1000. I imagine SoT servers will be shutdown by the time we hit that mark. Unless we transition into a Sea of Thieves 2.

    However I think doubloons need to be removed from the game the only reason they need a sink is because they are pointless. Gold has also lost a lot of its meaning. While trinkets from captaincy can eat up a lot of gold I think having the levels cost gold instead of doubloons would make more sense. Nothing in game should award doubloons. Doubloons should be a season only currency that you can use to buy old season cosmetics you missed out on. I know its kind of unheard of for time limited seasonal rewards to always be obtainable but while I choose to miss those seasons knowing how cool the rewards were. People treat the season rewards and fomo as some kinda of status symbol of "well i never quit playing the game" yea well you did very little to obtain these rewards. This isn't like hitting lvl 1000 with these new factions is a time commitment. Even if you purely bought levels as proposed is a huge time commitment. A lifetime in fact. Even with buying levels we would have to actually actively play this system if we hoped to even get to lvl 100 in any reasonable amount of time.

    People disagreeing with us being able to buy levels are just being 100% irrational and not even listening to the math. There is no common sense argument you can make against not being able to buy 1 level a month. The biggest reason people would be against it is "The rewards are meant to be earned" or "It would kill the system" no... The system will die on its own because even playing properly the grind is intense. Buying 12 levels per year doesn't sound awful if you think about how fast people have hit 100 by just playing the mode.

    I would argue allowing us to buy levels would actually be the best thing for this mode because it would take so long to buy your way to 100 that you are going to be pushed to play the mode to add to the levels you are buying. Like you grind 10-20 levels per month then you just get a little bonus level every month.

  • I totally agree with Magus104's numbers and disagree with BurnBacon's numbers. Even with 5 levels per month it would take a while to get the base curses, and the level 1000 would be out of question. 1 level per month is also a reasonably slow ammount, 8 years to reach level 100? well, somewhere I read that Sea of Thieves would have support for 10 years, and we already passed the first 4.
    I'm quite sure 5 levels per month is a good balanced number. Natural PvP players would still earn the rewards before someone could get the curses with letters only. It would still be a better choice to go into battle and get the levels there, but the boosts from letters would be a nice addition.
    I totally sure that even those who used letter of recommendations have earned their status of Pirate Legend. Earning Pirate Legend the normal way is still much more effective than relying only on letters. Besides, doubloons are earned, just like gold. Only ancient coins are bought with real money.

    I think 5 levels per month per faction would be a good ammount.

  • @dragotech123 I 100% agree with this! even there's like a limit of 5 a month this would be so helpful in those later levels when leveling up requires like 4 wins each. Great idea! hope this get implemented :)

  • @burnbacon Kind-of similar to things like the gold hoarder shovel, with things like the gold horder shovel you can buy a new model every time you get five more levels with gold hoarders, how about for every 5 levels you earn you can get 5 for 50-100 doubloons each.
    *So the most you can buy is half of your levels, and if you do want to buy that half of your levels it'd cost 2500 doubloons or 5000 doubloons total... seems pretty reasonable right?
    *Also, side note, so that people who already are like lvl 20, 50, 100, etc. so that they get rewarded equaly from this new system make it so that theses levels you can buy stack, e.g. if you are lvl 50 and haven't bought any yet you can buy all 50 that you hadn't bought

  • Unlike pirate legend where getting to it actually unlocks playable content, the only thing you earn from this mode are cosmetics that are intended to be trophies. As i always say, a trophy is not a trophy if you bought it.

  • @goldsmen dijo en Letter of recommendation for allegiance, please?:

    Unlike pirate legend where getting to it actually unlocks playable content, the only thing you earn from this mode are cosmetics that are intended to be trophies. As i always say, a trophy is not a trophy if you bought it.

    I disagree, entering new parts of the hideouts can be considered content for some players. There are commendations that require the curses, so there are challenges and activities after that. And these curses would take a long time to achieve if players use only letters to level up, I doubt anyone could just "buy" them because of the limitations of the letters, doing PvP would still be the main method to obtain them, just like gathering treasure is the main method to get Pirate Legend.

    I really don't know if the curses are intended to be trophies or not, but I don't think a little boost would actually hurt the game.

  • @dragotech123 said in Letter of recommendation for allegiance, please?:

    @goldsmen dijo en Letter of recommendation for allegiance, please?:

    Unlike pirate legend where getting to it actually unlocks playable content, the only thing you earn from this mode are cosmetics that are intended to be trophies. As i always say, a trophy is not a trophy if you bought it.

    I disagree, entering new parts of the hideouts can be considered content for some players. There are commendations that require the curses, so there are challenges and activities after that. And these curses would take a long time to achieve if players use only letters to level up, I doubt anyone could just "buy" them because of the limitations of the letters, doing PvP would still be the main method to obtain them, just like gathering treasure is the main method to get Pirate Legend.

    I really don't know if the curses are intended to be trophies or not, but I don't think a little boost would actually hurt the game.

    You are right that the new areas are "content" but they arnt exactly playable content, there is no quest or anything to do inside of the areas other than get cosmetics.

  • I've talked about this with some friends that are very pvp oriented. We all kind of agree that it should be a thing.

    My thoughts, 5 per month in a bundle for 500 doubloons total. 100 doubloons per level is 10,000 per curse if only buying. It would also take you 20 months to do. It would give doubloons a purpose again, something they really haven't had in years. I think thag even pvpers and pvevpers would buy them, not for the curse but because level 1000 is far away.

    They let us buy Arena levels, this seems fair.

  • I wouldn't really care if they added it, but buying 1 out of 100 levels seems twice as pointless as buying 1 out of 50 levels. The pace at which you'd advance by buying would be glacially slower compared to just doing the matches and the only real benefit would be when you get to 99 and don't want to wait a few more rounds.

  • @d3adst1ck said in Letter of recommendation for allegiance, please?:

    I wouldn't really care if they added it, but buying 1 out of 100 levels seems twice as pointless as buying 1 out of 50 levels. The pace at which you'd advance by buying would be glacially slower compared to just doing the matches and the only real benefit would be when you get to 99 and don't want to wait a few more rounds.

    Thats why I would say 5 per month. 1 level at a time for this would be near pointless. 5 more expensive levels would make more sense to me.

  • I hit ctrl-f on the suggestions page to ensure no one already suggested it, and found this. I agree 1000%.

    It doesn't matter if it costs gold or duobloons frankly—people pay real money to get slightly-blacker-black ship hull. You think we won't drop $10, $20, $50 for the two most requested curses in the game? Yea right.

    I am a long time player and have the season one pirate legend curse. It was pretty cool because it was time limited and kinda rare. I feel a little cheated that it's now an "everybody" reward and I want some recompense. Where's my mercenary blunderbuss and eye of reach I can't complete because it was time limited? Where's my bone crusher figurehead that I can't get because it was time limited? Where are the two guilded phoenix clothing pieces I can't get because I had to miss twitch drops for a family funeral?

    As said above, these are the two most requested curses in the game. A number of my friends are looking at the grind to get to level 100 and going, F it, and quitting the game because the bar seems so unreasonably high. You are discouraging a measurable portion of your community with that bar, some if not many of them are quitting. Player retention demands you put it in.

    BUT

    If they do implement this, what happens to the queue time? I know I probably will never play hourglass again after I earn the curses. That's fine, they tore down arena and this is keeping the mega-chads off the rest of us PVEVPers and PVEers for a while if not forever. I'm kinda ok with that.

    Also, don't add the letters until season 11 maybe? Let the people who earn it through sweat and tears enjoy their exclusivity for a bit. I know the days of my pirate legend curse being unique are limited, but it still felt good while it lasted.

  • @d3adst1ck said in Letter of recommendation for allegiance, please?:

    I wouldn't really care if they added it, but buying 1 out of 100 levels seems twice as pointless as buying 1 out of 50 levels. The pace at which you'd advance by buying would be glacially slower compared to just doing the matches and the only real benefit would be when you get to 99 and don't want to wait a few more rounds.

    Would it? At time of writing social media is guesstimating that you get to level 100 around 150 wins or 2000 losses. Takes a long time to grind 2000 losses when queue times are 20 minutes plus...

  • @lordqulex You do realize the Pirate Legend Curse was never going to be time limited right? It was always going to come back, like nearly all season cosmetics are meant to return.

  • @lordqulex Season 11? Why? Even if letters for allegiance were introduced today, with the limitation of monthly letters like every other letter it would still take a long time to reach level 100. Letters would be a small boost, not a replacement of the main method.
    Even 5 levels per month make it a long grind, and people would still prefer to use the hourglass to level up faster. If 5 levels per month were permitted then someone who is only relying on them to get the curses would unlock them in almost 2 years.
    Also, if you need to prove you got your legendary curse from Season 1 just tell the people how you got it. I'm quite sure everyone will believe it, you don't need to prove anything. You can even equip the title from season 1 to prove it if you want to show that your legendary curse was achieved during the first season.

  • What I would do is look to serve everyone at the 100 point for the curses/hideouts, whether it be bonuses to participate or monthly letters or both, I wouldn't gatekeep the 100 level much, it just leads to pvers tanking fights anyway.

    I would focus on serving the 200-1000+ pvpers with cosmetics that are clearly pvp styled (like arena cosmetics). Not stuff that is gonna attract pvers and doesn't have anything to do with pvp

    make high level pvp designed rewards and keep them coming to keep the skilled fighters busy and satisfied.

    Arena did a pretty good job on separating the cosmetics from pve imo while still appealing to the pvpers imo. That can be done again.

    A new symbol on the clothing would probably help with that. Something to indicate and represent fighting at those higher levels.

  • @captain-coel said in Letter of recommendation for allegiance, please?:

    @lordqulex You do realize the Pirate Legend Curse was never going to be time limited right? It was always going to come back, like nearly all season cosmetics are meant to return.

    I do recall they said many if not all of the cosmetics were going to be available in the pirate emporium eventually, but since many are still not there I was never completely sure.

  • @dragotech123 said in Letter of recommendation for allegiance, please?:

    @lordqulex Season 11? Why? Even if letters for allegiance were introduced today, with the limitation of monthly letters like every other letter it would still take a long time to reach level 100. Letters would be a small boost, not a replacement of the main method.
    Even 5 levels per month make it a long grind, and people would still prefer to use the hourglass to level up faster. If 5 levels per month were permitted then someone who is only relying on them to get the curses would unlock them in almost 2 years.
    Also, if you need to prove you got your legendary curse from Season 1 just tell the people how you got it. I'm quite sure everyone will believe it, you don't need to prove anything. You can even equip the title from season 1 to prove it if you want to show that your legendary curse was achieved during the first season.

    Fair enough on your first point. You can't please all the people all the time so you may as well cheese off the smaller portion of your players (hardcore pvpers) by releasing the letters earlier.

    I don't need to prove anything to anybody on the internet. I've been around long enough to know that's is a sisyphusean ordeal no matter what it is you're trying to prove. 😜

  • they should get rid of the idea everyone believes someone is a high skilled player cause he sunk tons of hours in sea of thieves,pure business talk the true reason : we love it some players swallowed our bait n stick to our game ,dont play anything else just sea of thieves all day n take a look in our emporium cause ms need the numbers.rip to sea of thieves open sandboxadventure game just do tons of hours the same boring battle with long waiting times n just one mode

  • Well.... They have ignored all complaints of being sailed out of bounds makes you a leaver rather than getting a loss. Meanwhile they listened to the vocal minority who said its too easy to hit 1000 so they increased the reputation required to get to 1000. So safe to say that is their answer to this. We will never be able to buy levels. Similar to how we can't buy athena levels though athena rep is insanely easy to gain now so needing to buy levels is about as pointless as having the ability to buy levels would be.

    That being said I do support the experience needed to hit 1000 increase. I still think we should be able to buy levels however because it's still an impossibility to level to 1000 off buying even if it was set to 5 lvls a month instead of 1. Regardless of how we choose to play its a long journey. But similar to the other trade companies (before the purchase limit) people would just level properly up to about 40 or so then buy the remaining slower levels. It's safe to say 99% of the player base wont ever see lvl 1000. Almost feel like 1000 needs a lot of cool rewards as it's the only thing currently in the game that holds any level of prestige. As much as people like to think their easily earned fomo cosmetics are some sort of status symbol rather than "I played the game before you did"

  • @magus104 said in Letter of recommendation for allegiance, please?:

    Well.... They have ignored all complaints of being sailed out of bounds makes you a leaver rather than getting a loss. Meanwhile they listened to the vocal minority who said its too easy to hit 1000 so they increased the reputation required to get to 1000. So safe to say that is their answer to this. We will never be able to buy levels. Similar to how we can't buy athena levels though athena rep is insanely easy to gain now so needing to buy levels is about as pointless as having the ability to buy levels would be.

    I think you're missing the point. Either skill based match-making is not working, or the skill gap is so wide that Rare locked the two most requested curses behind an impenetrable wall to the majority of players. If you want to ensure that only PVPers are left in the player base then yea, don't introduce letters of recommendation. I have played the last few nights with players that have literally stopped playing this season already because the curses they want are going to be too difficult to get: they can't win because they keep getting matches with mega-sweats, and queue times are 20+ minutes so farming losses just isn't feasible.

    It's this simple: you want to keep player population high? You need letters of recommendation or something similar. Bottom line.

  • @wolfmanbush agreed, make the first hundred something reasonable for pveers, then have all the cosmetics for 200-1k rewards for the intense pvpers. Pvpers can show off their legendary clothing and gold curses, while giving a chance to the pveers for the base curse.

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