This game needs more actual content!

Oh a thread by someone who make suggestions against the core design of the game and seem not to understand what SoT is about although he already played, eh wait worked it off so much?
Nice, like something new on the table. YAWN
wake me up when it's closed, derailed or discussed to death

Who was the guy with that funny dead horse meme?

@bugaboo-bill a dit dans This game needs more actual content! :

Oh a thread by someone who make suggestions against the core design of the game and seem not to understand what SoT is about although he already played, eh wait worked it off so much?
Nice, like something new on the table. YAWN
wake me up when it's closed, derailed or discussed to death

Who was the guy with that funny dead horse meme?

When you act like you're the boss of the forum, you're probably more annoying than hundreds of those threads. Threads are like games, if you don't like it, don't play/comment on it.
Cheers!

@jetorchidee97
I'm a little bit tired of people suggesting vertical progression and stuff that is very much against core prinipals of the game.
And who are you?
The Sheriff of the forum to tell me what i should do or not?
Maybe TS would have searched for his "suggestions" before and may you have ignored me, like you want me to ignore the TS. If you want to gimme "wise" advices, make sure you do the same and act as an idol, or not?
Questions over questions, where will this adventure lead us to?

@bugaboo-bill

I'm a little hat tired of people suggesting vertical progression and stuff that is very much against core prinipals of the game.
And who are you?
The Sherrif if the forum to tell me what i schould do or not.
Maybe TS would have searched for his "suggestions" and may you have ignored me, like you want me to ignore the TS.
Questions over questions, where will this adventure lead us to?

And I'm a little hat tired of people not being nice to others members of the community just because they suggested something you don't want or something that has already been suggested, or whatever.

I'm no one, I appreciate you but I don't like this attitude and I feel I had to say it, maybe I shouldn't have.

I don't see any point to having player housing. The world is instanced so adding permanent components like housing means they have to take place on a separate server/instance from the main world. Essentially you would be loading into a separate area, so what is the point other than having something to look at (that no one else can see anyways).

This doesn't really enrich the gameplay or the world lore in any way. We saw how many people begged for fishing and surprise, its super boring and is mostly used to kill time during more boring parts of the game (like sailing between islands). I can't see something like player housing doing anything other than remove players from the game world so they can sit around their houses and look at modeled cosmetics.

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I don't see any point to having player housing. The world is instanced so adding permanent components like housing means they have to take place on a separate server/instance from the main world. Essentially you would be loading into a separate area, so what is the point other than having something to look at (that no one else can see anyways).

One way I could see it, that I read on this forum, would be to make it the start lobby. Instead of your pirate in the tavern, you would be directly in this house where all your achievements and commendations could be displayed as customizables in a Rare's way with the amount of money being displayed with chests, stock of golds, etc
But I agree, it's not really necessary, though that could be a nice little addition in a long term (4-5 years).

@pfnatsch All those other cosmetics you mentioned are visible to other players. Your clothes, your ship, etc... People want to look cool to other players.

A housing system would have to take place in a separated instanced area due to the way the game is designed which means that hardly anyone outside of your own crew will likely ever see what you've collected. You might as well just have window dressing on the main menu or crew lobby as @JetOrchidee97 mentioned earlier.

Just adding cosmetics doesn't necessarily translate to useful content unless it has some kind of effect on other players in some way and I doubt something like this would increase player retention at all over adding tons of new hats. The game needs content that requires players to participate and at times compete with other pirates in order to continue to be engaged.

@Pfnatsch

I know that this game is based on everybody having the same tools available and that should never change. But here a few things that can be added:

That's what you have understood, but then make these suggestion:

For example next to the normal sloop which is available for everybody and as good add a "Hunter Sloop and a "Tradesman Sloop":
Hunter sloop has more fire power and agility but is slower (for PvP players) where the Tradesman sloop is faster and always has a rowboat at the start of the session (for PvE players). This could maybe implemented with a point system aswell just on the normal sloop, but when you add points in one category you have to lose some points somewhere else. That would have even more depth, but it would be harder to balance.

So the more you play the more options and power you have?
Doesnt this support powergaming and hardcore grinding or does it even incentivice this?
Do you think it's easy to balance and good to encourage people to hardcore grind gold to buy ships?

Unlocking actual Content through progression

Why split the playerbase?
Why gate content behind progression?
I dont see a good cause to do that.
Ya a lot of games do that, i dislike it by heart for over 30years of playing games and actually many developers have understood that it is not good and create mechanics to bring people together again. Dynamic levels or whatever.

In my opinion there should be more Content which is exclusive for players, who invest the time into the game.

And the next term from a meritocracy/ performanced focussed view.
Invest time...
I do not invest time playing a game.
I do waste time and i dont compensate with gaming and then tell others what great gamer i am.
There is no meaning other than to be playing a game, what is completely senseless, has no meaning at all, is about wasting time and doing something for fun.
Fun not meaning!

THE ONLY thing for now we have like that is Athena. Even that isn't new content! It is just more of the same: missions from the three main factions, even getting the Athena chest itself is just another treasure chest map! Except the Athena shop there is nothing new to it at all. In my opinion only a true pirate legend is worthy enough to go on tall tales for example.

Again this elitism and meritocracy aproach. It's segregrating and asocial.
Maybe the Athena is especially no new content, because they didnt want to gate anything but cosmetics?!

This game has so much potential but unfortunately I got burned out too fast due to the lack of actual content and that makes me sad. I have some general ideas, as how to fix that problem.

Your Problem is that your only content is working off Levels, reputation and cosmetics.
You seem to not immerse and roleplay a Piratelegend, you seem to lack fantasy to immerse into the world and contribute to it as a Piratelegend do self provided tasks like kill a Meg in a Rowboat, rob a Galleone at a fort solo, gift a ship full of treasure to a new sailor or whatever. This is a sandbox game, the levels mean not that much, but cosmetics and some titles.
What SoT is more about is immersive gameplay, roleplay, the freedom to do what you want. Interact, cooperate, compete and there is a lot in the world you can do.
Second thing you maybe ay too much and expect a videogame can entertain you 3+ hours every day for a year or more?
Well i can tell you what games can do that. Games that make you addicted with slotmachiene mechanics and reward systems that keep ringing the bingo bell.
If that is the sort of game you want then i wholeheartedly disagree.

And here is the evidence you did not understand SoT design and the decision to have no vertical progression, but only horizontal about cosmetics.

But my friends and I got burned out so quickly, because there is really nothing to work on but cosmetics. Cosmetics are cool for showing off but it should never be the focus of a game on its own!!

So you have played it through?
Delete character, buy another Account and replay or quit.

Please do not ask to change the game, because those who have understood and are very glad a developer did so like it as it is.
They maybe also have not that much exagerated on playing this gsme and had worked it off but just played and not focussed on progression, but focussed on simply playing, immersing, roleplaying, let thing happen by the way.
Have focussed on their adventures are amazing memories and stories to tell while the level and rep came by the way and made it extra cool, because their stories underline their legendary status in a more valuable way than "working off" does.

Of course the more time I played the less exciting I got and that is totally normal.

Really, not true for me.
Same fun setting sails like a year ago. Maybe even more fun, because i feel like "coming home" everytime when the wind blows into the sails.

What do you think? Please let me know and remember always stay sober out on the sea! ;)

I thibk you and youre friends didnt get the game right got bored very quickly because you focussed in the wrong part what is progression when the game says it's seconded and therefore horizontal and about cosmetics only.
To me it was a strome of a genius or some genius to do that this way.
It focusses on fun and freedom to play like you want and not on working off something.
It does not separate players it keeps them all on equal foot forever.
What is better than that?
Why need someone be special because he grinded 10 hours a day for a year? He is more in need of a good psychologist tbh.
Not more levels to grind off.

@JetOrchidee97 @Pfnatsch
I apologize for the first silly comment, but many of these suggestions offend a gamedesign what i've been waiting for for years.
You made it again about achievement hunting and meaningless progression, Separation players, gating content and promote slot machiene mechanics, give powergamers and hardcore grinders the "meaning" they want to bragg around and tell others :" you havent earned to be a Legend."
I have heard this a couple of times now, not only me bit also parts of my crew.
This is compensating with levels what they lack in real life
respect, recognition, maybe even love.
You need not, you should not and you mustn't segregate yourself from fellow players you should instead take care of them and play together.

All you wrote here let me doubt you had this in mind, but asking and supporting ideas what are completely against this attitude to play games together and instead make it more egocentric me or us against the others.
It's a game meant to be played, not a serious sports competition, not a job or your career.

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@JetOrchidee97 @Pfnatsch
I apologize for the first silly comment, but many of these suggestions offend a gamedesign what i've been waiting for for years.

No worries, I apologize too, it was an impulsive and not very well thought comment and I understand your point. Here's to the crew!

@jetorchidee97 same for me
I maybe partaked too much in the forums read the 5th thread i disagree with and made an offensive and silly comment. I also dislike this attitude and some here do it everyday but i mostly try to emphasize with where the others comes from.
But still arguing and "defending" the concept and design of SoT as i believe that when you have a server full of people who do not care for progression, loosing and winning that much but are more fun orientated and dont take it all too serious, because they need not as progression is meaningless and seconded, then this the best playground you can have.
There is a difference of how you can say: Arrrr, Attack, Revenge or whatever.
The one is for fun he other is about anger.
To me progression supports people compare themself and become jealous, it makes them rushing games, exploit, speedrun and not play together and have fun. It makes them more egocentric.
It distracts from a playful aproach and make people feel serious about it and have a "meaning" when the meaning of playing a game together, especially competing is to both sides to have fun. Also the looser!
Every child need to learn not to play to win, but to play for fun and participation. And that also need not get rewarded all the time.
I taught my daughter this some years ago. She also get sour very much when she lost a game.
And no i was not unforgiving but let she win sometimes of course.
Until she let me win :-)
I'm singleparent, i want her to be self confident and authentic.
She needed to learn you cannot win always, but that's not what makes the fun. It's the extra tip and it's for sure more fun to win than to loose, but if you win all day you cannot appreciate it anymore.
You need to learn to respect and appreciate loosing.
To me achievers need constantly getting rewarded (win something).
It's endlessly.
You can add more levels, more this more that, they wont be ever satisfied.
I'm sad that we have more gamers gaming systems, working off achievements, invest time to get rewarded a way to segregate themself, make them superior, have them in a special league or club.
It's ok for several games who need this to match skilled players like Star Craft for example.
But thats a completely different style of a game.
SoT is a game about social interactions and fun playing a comic(al) Pirate.
If you bring any form of vertical progression the whole thing wont work anymore.
We need more players who understand that and stop gaming systems but instaed start playing games.

@pfnatsch reported for the last part.

I disagree with your aproach and i hope Rare will never cater to your sort of gamers and i also wish you quit like your friends because all you contribute here is Separation, elitism and a too serious maybe even addicted aproach playing games.

If you call me a coward i say you are the one hiding behind a GT in the internet.
Tell me that face to face.

I havent accused you, my main arguments are general and not pointed on you personally.
But you did.

I'm 42 year old singleparent man.
Keep your insults for yourself please.

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@bugaboo-bill it is funny how you are telling me to not think I am better than others in a game, but at the same time act like you are better/smarter in this forum.

I have to agree though, that a lot of players forget the fun in games and focus ONLY on the destination/winning not the journey.

If it's only about thst you are better then i understand it.
Your fun is not the journey, if so you wouldnt ask for more meaning of progression, exclusive content and such.

You fun is getting rewarded and elitism for beeing better than others and therefore "earn" more.

Performanced focussed aproach. Elitism. Meritocracy.
Not mainly fun orientated!
I will quit the conversations here.

@mrmalfor

Because people make suggestions what are against core principles of the game and want to turn it into the next thing for exagerating gamers who work, invest, earn and then tell others they are noobs.
This game is made of another wood and it's not only me, but many others who defend that what all the gamers want to destroy because they cannot understand it and constantly ask for more meaning and more progression and such when they are unsatisfiable.

I in general have a lot of upvotes.
If you cannot see that this game is not about to progress ot need that much more content and is anyway a game as a Service and continue to bring content tomorrow on a monthly basis i cannot help.

If you dislike me so much just block.
Problem solved.
I also block people who claim they are here to break others will, make them ragequit or insult me.

@mrmalfor
No offense, but then you didnt get the game right.
It said it has no serious progression, it's seconded and therefore horizontal and only about cosmetics and also sessionbased because of that.
I play and love it especially because of this and all the progression based games arent for me therefore.
It's as if i go to WoW and ask to remove item Sets and levels and make it about cosmetics only.

I liked many games in general played them month over month until i realized i'm in a rush to not Fall behind, i grinded stuff i disliked, i became serious about it, got sour, became impatient here and there, neglected real life friends and even family maybe.
That was not fun.
I play casually and i know some make gaming their serious hobby
and have a different aproach.
I'd never try to compete in CS:Go although in 1998 iirc i was good at CS 1.6.
I quit all the games i in general liked but asked me to spent more time I have or fall behind and cannot contribute, compete and habe fun anymore.
99% of online games are exactly made for progression orientated gamers.
And yes i dislike this when i understood why they are that way and how many gamers behave and treat their fellow players.
Thinking of the quality of speach in games like LoL, Overwatch or even other social games like mmorpgs etc...
Do i argue passively aggressive about that?
Yeah maybe sometimes and i feel guilty.
I apologized for the first comment here and i explained in detail why and what.

Suggestions like this offend the game design im here for and would turn the game into something you like more, but drive me away

And because we have very less games without gamechanging progression - btw i have no problem with it in singleplayer games - i just disagree with all suggestions who want to change it.

Lets think this way.
99% of online games had no serious progression, mostly every game is only about f... cosmetics only.
Games who have vertical progression at best are C class Indie games that insult your gamers attitude, skill and passion for it.
Then lets say you have found a game by a famous developer, a triple A game, beautiful and all that, you like it like no other for a decade of gaming and it has vertical progression. A dream comes true.
You play, you like, you play further, you still like it, all is fine and as you wish. Butb other people come to the forums nearly everyday and ask to remove progression, make it about cosmetics only. Too much to do, decrease the amount of this or that.. etc...
You would argue the same way like me i guess.

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@bugaboo-bill sagte in This game needs more actual content!:

I in general have a lot of upvotes.

As I mentioned earlier. Likes don't tell a lot tbh, because players like me (which are a lot) quit the game and are not on this forum.

1. lets stick to agree to disagree and let it be as we said before ok?!
2. This quote is out of context.
   @MrMalfor wrote i argue passively aggressive and i answered that i still have lot of upvotes, if you research other recent posts by me you can also read how i try to be diplomatic and convey between opposing opinions of people.
   Maybe Mr.Malfor did only read topics he agree with and i disagree with therefore think my argumentation is only and always toxic. I even agree that i did sometimes for sure, that i feel guilty and always try to self reflect and improve my comunication. Btw not my motherlanguage and even if it is ok or reads good that doesnt mean i have no problem to write what i want to say in english ;-)

Options are good, things that favor powergaming in this game are not.
Maybe all your friends and those who left have just accepted that this game seconds progression and it's more about that creative sandbox playstyle and such.

It's not wrong that both kind of games exist, but we defend that what we have here, because imho it's genius and rare on the market.
But more developers see this want and maybe try to establish new games with horizontal progression.
Where it is more about creative sandbox and social interactions than themepark or achievement hunting and completion.

Both style of games should be developed and played.

Please dont try to turn this around.
Many people who just play also dont partake in the forums.

I liked a game very much and i tried to adapt to it's concept of endless progression, i really loved all about this game, but the endless vertical progression and the power gap it created spoiled it to me completely.
I quit after a year and a lot if money i spent for this game. Not a few bucks, but more like thousands as i wanted to support it.
In the end i swallowed the bitter pill.
Progression games arent for me.
I aproach games completely different.