Cheater

I need to see proof before you start getting upset.

Could easy be just them “being better than you”

So far with season 8 a lot of players are discovering they are pretty bad at pvp (when they aren’t sinking ships with unwilling fighters)
But instead of improving or accepting. It must be cheats.

Now yes, there are cheaters but very few of them. And you don’t run into them every day

@burnbacon

You have to be a troll. Be it on Twitter, reddit, this very forum, the whole community is complaining about obvious cheaters with clips to back it up but you would rather believe that everyone is lying/malding rather than considering that something is actually going on. "Evidence" is all over the place if you just play season 8, boats being flipped by people speedhacking 1 game out of 15 has NOTHING to do with people being outplayed and being mad about it.

May I ask what your allegiance levels are ?

@gotszu I think with how certain movements are started by a known issue, the last thing we need these days is a "just trust me bro" kind of claim.

Most of this playerbase is not good or competent enough to beat the tougher than normal dedicated players, let alone actual cheaters. They won't be able to tell the difference because they're losing anyways. A lot of people on social media for SoT by now are aware there is an active rise of this issue, but complaining about it on the forums is starting to become an oversaturated conversation as no one is really adding to it, and whatever can be added, has to instead be relegated to SoT Support.

Rare isn't going to give a statement as to prevent the cheat programmers from preparing to create bypasses. No announcement will be made about anti-cheats as 1: Being tailor-made for a single game, it's very expensive to produce and possibly maintain, and 2: Most of the pre-established ones have already been cracked for other games, bringing them to SoT while cheats have been this easily created despite Rare's efforts thus far would just lead to more disappointment to the people calling for anti-cheats.

Now, any other concerns?

@foambreaker haha you are funny,
I don't use a controller, I'm on pc, I'm currently at 99 days of play, level 167 guardian of fortune and 283 servant of flame, I don't think I'm a beginner and we're rolling on a lot of good ones crews. When I talk about cheater I think I know what I'm talking about, every day we meet players who dolphin and swim super fast with self-repairing masts and all the artillery of a good cheater

@rlk777 a dit dans Cheater :

@foambreaker @BurnBacon haha you are funny,
I don't use a controller, I'm on pc, I'm currently at 99 days of play, level 167 guardian of fortune and 283 servant of flame, I don't think I'm a beginner and we're rolling on a lot of good ones crews. When I talk about cheater I think I know what I'm talking about, every day we meet players who dolphin and swim super fast with self-repairing masts and all the artillery of a good cheater

I do like the idea of a Mobile Number being required... but that did not go over so well with Overwatch 2, especially since pre-paid phones won't work with that sort of thing.

I do agree there needs to be a better system of tracking bans, but many of the methods do risk encroaching on being discriminating in one way or another.

@rlk777 solution. Don't ban them. Code it so that they cannot access any cosmetics and make their starting and only unchangeable cosmetic Barbie Pink with the words Cheater accross the sails and sides of ship.

@personalc0ffee

No smoke without fire as they say..

@wolfmanbush

Sure, I get that, 10/10 cannon shots landing could be just an abundance of OG sea dogs returning, but teleporting and instafixing ship in the middle of a battle should not be possible and if it is then more and more players will use it if it is easily available. That's all. Needs sorting..

@wolfmanbush

Yes, as I said but you can't deny that the blatant cheat hole needs a plank on it and fixing asap surely! Or can you?

@wolfmanbush

It will just get bigger and bigger though, it beggars belief that they can't stop folk hacking their code. I can't believe there is no way for them to stop scripts being run that literally break the game but I am a just a network administrator that relies on group policy and permissions to stop this sort of stuff so what do I know. It's Microsoft to blame then.. :-)

@wolfmanbush said in Cheater:

@wagstr said in Cheater:

@wolfmanbush

It will just get bigger and bigger though, it beggars belief that they can't stop folk hacking their code. I can't believe there is no way for them to stop scripts being run that literally break the game but I am a just a network administrator that relies on group policy and permissions to stop this sort of stuff so what do I know. It's Microsoft to blame then.. :-)

it's possible it could grow

knowing the organic experience like I do I don't see it changing much

people already avoid high risk a lot
people already avoid encounters a lot
people already cheese a lot
the middle of activity in this game has already taken as big of a hit as it will ever take

cheating in the organic environment largely only impacts known names and people like me that are still producing higher risk treasure, still doing the world events, still heavy on encounters and I very rarely see anything out of ordinary and predictable in combat, whether it's a hostile inexperienced crew or a very skilled crew

I could talk bugs and glitches and server performance issues all day involving combat but in the organic environment cheating isn't something I see to any significant degree, that could change but I doubt it considering how the environment is designed.

It could change, games do often times see a lot more cheating this far into the game's existence, if I start seeing it consistently I'll definitely include that in my feedback and discussions on the forums at that point.

To be specific, in an extreme amount of time spent in the organic environment and with a very high random combat record I've literally never seen the cheats that are being shown on the clips in any of my combat and random encounters with a lot of pvpers.

as far as macros and less extreme exploits go I've probably encountered that quite a bit.

Very rarely have I ever had a reason to even throw around "esp" in my head, I personally go benefit of the doubt on stuff like that but even then it's just a tiny amount of encounters and could easily be luck and/or skill.

Kegs falling from the sky, auto repair stuff, flipping my boat filling my boat with water and no holes, that sort of extreme stuff I haven't see yet.

wolfmanbush, this needs saying. You are sounding like Saddam Hussain in the news clip when he was stood on the car saying there are no enemy forces anywhere near us, yet in the background you see uk/usa tanks rolling in and bombs going off.

Mass cheating IS happening NOW within Hourglass, more so on 2v2 sloop.
It is on mass.

Just because your saying you rarely see obvious cheating, doesn't mean it isn't so. You are far outweighed by people saying it's happening to them in hourglass (people who know the difference between a good player and a cheat, people who have researched the cheating methods, people who have played for many years). Maybe your not playing hourglass much, maybe your not playing 2v2 sloop in hourglass much, or maybe your just in denial or naive. I am sure that many of these players have recorded clips of the cheating encounters just as I have. I'm shocked your still in denial that it IS widespread in hourglass now and needs addressing before 'if I can't beat them join them' happens if it already hasn't. If I don't encounter it much then it can't be widespread, is how your coming accross. Regardless of what you may think Wolfmanbush, it is widepread and not just a handfull of repeat alts.

Tired of being cheated won't play till they fix this garbage. It's getting ridiculous. Just sat there on a ship with everyone dead and it wouldn't sink. Water to the absolute top. Nothing. Bug? Cheating? Either way fix this garbage.

@morknag said in Cheater:

@shadyriddler said in Cheater:

@wolfmanbush said in Cheater:

@wagstr said in Cheater:

@wolfmanbush

It will just get bigger and bigger though, it beggars belief that they can't stop folk hacking their code. I can't believe there is no way for them to stop scripts being run that literally break the game but I am a just a network administrator that relies on group policy and permissions to stop this sort of stuff so what do I know. It's Microsoft to blame then.. :-)

it's possible it could grow

knowing the organic experience like I do I don't see it changing much

people already avoid high risk a lot
people already avoid encounters a lot
people already cheese a lot
the middle of activity in this game has already taken as big of a hit as it will ever take

cheating in the organic environment largely only impacts known names and people like me that are still producing higher risk treasure, still doing the world events, still heavy on encounters and I very rarely see anything out of ordinary and predictable in combat, whether it's a hostile inexperienced crew or a very skilled crew

I could talk bugs and glitches and server performance issues all day involving combat but in the organic environment cheating isn't something I see to any significant degree, that could change but I doubt it considering how the environment is designed.

It could change, games do often times see a lot more cheating this far into the game's existence, if I start seeing it consistently I'll definitely include that in my feedback and discussions on the forums at that point.

To be specific, in an extreme amount of time spent in the organic environment and with a very high random combat record I've literally never seen the cheats that are being shown on the clips in any of my combat and random encounters with a lot of pvpers.

as far as macros and less extreme exploits go I've probably encountered that quite a bit.

Very rarely have I ever had a reason to even throw around "esp" in my head, I personally go benefit of the doubt on stuff like that but even then it's just a tiny amount of encounters and could easily be luck and/or skill.

Kegs falling from the sky, auto repair stuff, flipping my boat filling my boat with water and no holes, that sort of extreme stuff I haven't see yet.

wolfmanbush, this needs saying. You are sounding like Saddam Hussain in the news clip when he was stood on the car saying there are no enemy forces anywhere near us, yet in the background you see uk/usa tanks rolling in and bombs going off.

Mass cheating IS happening NOW within Hourglass, more so on 2v2 sloop.
It is on mass.

Just because your saying you rarely see obvious cheating, doesn't mean it isn't so. You are far outweighed by people saying it's happening to them in hourglass (people who know the difference between a good player and a cheat, people who have researched the cheating methods, people who have played for many years). Maybe your not playing hourglass much, maybe your not playing 2v2 sloop in hourglass much, or maybe your just in denial or naive. I am sure that many of these players have recorded clips of the cheating encounters just as I have. I'm shocked your still in denial that it IS widespread in hourglass now and needs addressing before 'if I can't beat them join them' happens if it already hasn't. If I don't encounter it much then it can't be widespread, is how your coming accross. Regardless of what you may think Wolfmanbush, it is widepread and not just a handfull of repeat alts.

hey @shadyriddler , Wolfmanbush is a forum troll, he comments everything just to get a point in the forums.
and from what he have said and told on otter post it seems that they are only playing on xbox servers with no cross over, and that YouTube videos don't exists. there are a few trolls in this forum that goes on every or a lot of post just to "make a point" with nonsense. they cant prove what they are saying, and they don't want to see the through.

most likely they are are just on xbox non crossover servers or cheaters/exploiters themselves

I have read many, many posts by @WolfManbush in the time I have been a member of this forum (yes he is quite prolific!) and although I do not always agree with him (I do more often than not) he is not a troll by any stretch of the imagination, his posts are always well measured and thought out personal opinion and never offensive, he is far more devoted to the game than most fly by nights here..

@WolfManbush,

Honestly I seriously think you're lost, if you're not aware that right now a wave of users (not just some alt) are using cheats it's because you're not playing the game or you're a PVEplayer or you're lost. The game, and more particularly the new PVP system, is polluted with cheaters and this will eventually reach the adventure mode. Now if you want to continue being ignorant, do as you wish, but don't come here to tell contradicting things that many players experience every day. Go inform yourself first and then go play the new PVP mode and come back to talk to us afterwards. Big streamers stop the new mode for the same reason and on twitter the subject is constantly mentioned and highlighted.

@wolfmanbush
You are really good at talking and not saying anything, thank you for your comments without interest. Here we are talking about concrete things, but thank you anyway for your false contribution.

It's not about small cheaters with AIMBOT or ESP, they are just insignificant and they can sink like everyone else. Here it's about cheaters who speed run in the water, who repair their boat in one click, and who also scoop in one click and fly and more. And contrary to what some ignorant people may say, it is not always the same people who use this software.

If there is PVP, there is necessarily something to frame it (anticheat) like in any other game. It is unfortunately certain that RARE will never invest for an anticheat which is a pity, but that's the way it is... To counter this lack of supervision, it would be good to consider other solutions such as a external anticheat or double telephone authentication, your ideas are welcome... And not to hide like some in the hope that over time it will pass...

This is the subject of this post and thank you for contributing without misinformation.

@wolfmanbush
You continue to talk to say nothing and to make disinformation please go and talk on a subject other than here.

As I said above, I am not asking for an anticheat from RARE, I know that they have no desire to invest in the creation of an anticheat.

Instead, I ask for solutions to eliminate or reduce these cheaters, which we players encounter, unlike some who have no solutions and who do nothing, or else and who think they live in a game of care bears where everything is fine.

At present there is nothing and absolutely nothing against cheaters, they are banned and the same day they have a new account.

I think it's important to work on this topic for the good of the community and the game.