Another crossplay discussion

Yes make it optional.

Aiming with a mouse is easy mode compared to using a controller. Like special olympics, except most PC players are not disabled.

Make it optional.

@snowfire So what about the fact that Xbox player could cheat the same way?

From what you have said you haven't even encountered this firsthand, and instead are using it as an excuse to slander all PC players.
Just read back through what you have said, you watched a video of a guy cheating and think that everyone you lose to is cheating.

Also I might point out the fact you have no idea if Rare/Microsoft have banned his account

Therefore I'm with @SatanicNemesis when he says you are only here to troll, you haven't brought anything to the conversation

Also I should point out that you were the only one that got nasty and had to insult to get your point across

@snowfire said in Another crossplay discussion:

@satanicnemesis ok, it was like trying to have a debate with a snail shell.

I just want servers only for xbox players for several reasons.

1. Aiming with a mouse is easy mode compared to using a controller.

2. Macroing and other modding of gameplay much easier on PC.

3. It would be optional for xbox players to join the xbox only servers and crossplay would still be an option for people who want it.

Crossplay should be disabled by default on xbox to make things easier on new people.

@heavyreaper102

Amen..

Cracks me up with all the excuses we see over and over.

I play on Xbox and PC. (Oh and on PC with a controller at times also). Know what? I handle the business pretty much the same in every instance. So if one person in the world of SoT can do it so can you.

But, there are some differences between the systems and for that I do agree at times can make things easier for one over the others. This isn't that game changing however and why these threads really need to stop.

Want more FPS? Wait till 2020 new Xbox. Get a PC! So many solutions to this. If not, stop bickering on it, since its your choice.

Use a M/K or Controller. Some of the best players are on Xbox/PC using M/K or Keyboard and at times Both.

This whole beauty to this game is the crossplay. Xbox and PC friends can play together. AMAZING. A big reason why it is so successful. So just adapt your play style to be the most effective within your play time.

You think that just having platform specific options is going to save you? Guess again. Then what excuses will we come up with then?

Adapt your play style and for lack of better words, learn and get better over time.

@joe-gallows said in Another crossplay discussion:

1. Aiming with a mouse is easy mode compared to using a controller.

Easy mode for some, others not really. Amazing what you can do with ease on a controller if you are good enough.

2. Macroing and other modding of gameplay much easier on PC.

This is against TOS. Null argument. If you suspect someone is cheating, record and get proof and report. They get found out soon enough.

Majority of the community is fine with the CP function and how it is. This all just seems a waste of time for Devs to work on when there is plenty of other issues and content needs ahead.

@needsmokes

I rather (and yes this is personal) Devs focus on QoL items like Hit Reg, Fort issues, Items problems and content over this Optional development from a game that has stated from the start will be CP. Everyone has known from the beginning what SoT was about.

Other than, what seems to be players that either, don't have time to play a lot or are just not that good are valid arguments?

You bought a CP game and complain about the CP.... come on..

Again, I get where many are coming from. I also play on Xbox a good amount. My load times are fine (use SSD) FPS are ok (expected with Xbox) and I as many others work the seas based on the time I play. There's just lack of intensive to invest so much time into this option.

Everyone claiming that controllers can match a mouse in terms of accuracy in any way for two players of equal relative skill level are just full of it.

Make crossplay optional. And yes cheating is an argument for me and a perfectly valid reason for not wanting to play with PC players. It matters **** all that it is against the TOS if people do it anyway.

PC players arguing against Xbox players having the option to not play at a disadvantage is the real joke.

-hombre said in Another crossplay discussion:

@joe-gallows said in Another crossplay discussion:

PC players arguing against Xbox players having the option to not play at a disadvantage is the real joke.

What about XBox players arguing against XBox players?

What's the position on that?

Just curious.

Either delusional or just lying about being on xbox. Controllers are at a severe disadvantage and has always been in games where aiming matters. If some xbox players really enjoy being at a disadvantage, it really doesn't change the facts.

@racmop

With regards to MW, which pool would you guess has the majority of the player base ?

I would wager the cross play pool.

Why?

Because its input based and works.

If rare did this with SOT instead of by platform, it would be a much better and fairer move.

@belyaevfox the dude has a point.

You're arguement is essentially "choice", which does fall a bit flat when the whole premise here is division, the "optional" part depends on your perspective but is still a weak one at best when one group doesn't actually have the same premise of choice.

This community is like a family.

We bicker, we fight, we disagree, but at the end of the day, we love and respect one another.

On this very forum there's a heartfelt post from a guy who recently lost his wife and and outpouring of love and support for him and his family in this difficult time.

THATS what SoT is about.

This shameless and relentless attack by a small minority of Xbox users on the integrity of this community is a disgrace and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Pull your heads out of your rear passages and look at the damage you have done and continue to do to the fabric of this family.

Shame on you. Shame, shame, shame.

@belyaevfox said in Another crossplay discussion:

@heavyreaper102

Well, when it's implemented, and all the xbox players go hiding in their own servers, there's gonna be two distinct zones. The xbox servers and the PC servers.

That's not segregation. Giving people a choice is not force.

I mean, I'd call that segregation. Just cause you play the game on PC, you'll be limited from playing with the majority of the playerbase because they're all locked behind opt out?

That's still not segregation.

Segregation by choice is still segregation. The simple fact that xbox players are the only people given the option for a controller only input option is not allowing me to join even if I would want to choose to, as I don't use Xbox but Windows and therefore segregation based on platform.

Xbox players are given the choice PC players are not, how is that not exclusion or denial of access? It is flat out discrimination based on material choices, elitist mentality from the xbox community stating they should be given an controller option while denying the PC players the same option.

You operate under the assumption that all or atleast a large majority of players want to take part in this "segregation". If that's the case maybe there is something to the game being unbalanced don't you think?

Maybe it is because of the fear mongering, PC boogieman stories and excuses that the only reason for losing is based on the equipment someone uses.

Maybe it is that they want a controller option and if it is linked to xbox it doesn't hurt them so they are ok with that? What about the PC players on a controller? Or is it fair for them?

Again, xbox controller player here (and I'll keep singing that to the moon, especially now that you all suggest I'm lying about it... that's pretty funny in itself, not to mention a little sad), and not once have I had to RESORT to using that excuse. "Oh they were on PC so there was no chance of winning."

I play on both platforms and I am sorry to say that PC has huge advantages over Xbox.

Is it the PC or input model?
Do you use a controller on both?
Are you on a PC at the same price range and age as your xbox?

If it is hardware, what is going to happen next year when the scarlett hits the market? You going to complain or you going to upgrade and since you have the advantage it will be all fine?

If it is about controller play? This is a choice for both platforms, why is one being discriminated against? If it warrants an opt out option... why the difference in treatment?

I thought people would be in favor of fairness, equality and compassion. Yet the majority group loves to defend their elitist exclusive membership... even though SoT was supposed to bring us together.

@cotu42 well put my man, I'm glad you understand as well.

@belyaevfox said in Another crossplay discussion:

@CotU42

Your whole post is concerned with controllers. That's not even the biggest issue. The PC version of the game runs much more smoothly, has much shorter loading times (important for respawns), has less bugs and less noticable lag. Even on a 10 year old PC it runs with good performance when set to lower settings. Comparing that to the the Xbox version that runs below 30 FPS even on the Xbox One X.

@boxcar-squidy

This community is like a family.

We bicker, we fight, we disagree, but at the end of the day, we love and respect one another.

Nah.

On this very forum there's a heartfelt post from a guy who recently lost his wife and and outpouring of love and support for him and his family in this difficult time.

THATS what SoT is about.

What has that to do with the thread or SoT?

This shameless and relentless attack by a small minority of Xbox users on the integrity of this community is a disgrace and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

People are voicing their opinions. Can't you handle that?

Pull your heads out of your rear passages and look at the damage you have done and continue to do to the fabric of this family.

What damage?

Shame on you. Shame, shame, shame.

You're sound like a drunk aunt at a family gathering.

The fact that you can't see any damage kind of proves my point. What are you doing here on the "community" forum, if you don't have any sense of community?

What did that post have to do with this issue? Everything. Dude and his wife had memorable experiences, meant a lot to him. If we listen to you, everyone is leaving because the game is unbalanced for xbox. Doesn't seem like the sort of experience that would facilitate the meaningful experiences that fella and his wife had. Surely PC players ruined everything for them too no?

Why would anyone listen to you about what is good for this community, when you actively don't want to be part of one?

I listen to the people that understand that this is a diverse group with one thing in common, we all like Sea of Thieves.

You, I don't know anything about except - I've never once seen you write anything positive about SoT, you're a single issue complainer, point me in the direction of a single post of yours that isn't another anti-PC snoozefest and I'll revise that opinion.

It kind of seems like you don't like the game dude. I've never seen you do anything but complain.

So, you don't believe in the community, you don't seem to like the game, tell me, why should I listen to your opinion on anything?

@joe-gallows said in Another crossplay discussion:

-hombre said in Another crossplay discussion:

@joe-gallows said in Another crossplay discussion:

PC players arguing against Xbox players having the option to not play at a disadvantage is the real joke.

What about XBox players arguing against XBox players?

What's the position on that?

Just curious.

Either delusional or just lying about being on xbox. Controllers are at a severe disadvantage and has always been in games where aiming matters. If some xbox players really enjoy being at a disadvantage, it really doesn't change the facts.

All I get some this is basically you are not good on a controller and should invest into a PC...

Your experience is your experience. You cannot speak for others. Especially when you can see streams and others all day using controllers and killing it. So your argument is for you and you only and does no speak for others than are effective with a controller.

The average player can be very good with both, great players can be great with both, but typically you have more room for quicker movement and key bindings with M/K. This in SoT is NOT a major factor in this form. With right sensitivity and settings a Controller can do damn near as much work as a M/K and with less movement.

@grilledcheese10 said in Another crossplay discussion:

@joe-gallows Crudely put but yes, I agree. As an Xbox user, it's sometimes unfair to go against PC kids who know what they're doing.

Key words here "who know what they're doing"

So you then don't know what you are doing. How does anyone beat a PC player. OMG must never happen.....

Come on man, you can't think people are going to take you seriously when you yourself called it. Know what you are doing.

Still, the option must be given to PC players. Allow them to opt in or out. Wouldn't be fair if console players got the only say in the matter!

Again, majority of players love the CP and how it brings them, buddies and others from many platfroms into one world. Only going to get BIGGER! Something people will have to face.

But the two main reasons I see players not want to see this implemented is because they either want the free kills or they are afraid of not being able to play (which is absurd because there's a hefty number of players for both PC and Xbox.)

Killing someone (outside arena) for most players isn't the drive in this game. Sure some get off on it, but most are in it for the loot and the thrill of getting there.

None the less, where is your data on this? Because we are still as a massive opinion here that has little facts presented but calling for MAJOR game changes to a CP game.

@grilledcheese10

Well this is the loop around that will not really get solved. Anyone that bought this game should have known it was CP and that's what they bought. There is nothing more to it unless Rare takes the time to compile data and justify a need to make this game less CP. Cause it will make it less CP.

Even in that event, I will just jump on my Xbox (as I do now) and destroy players and give them something else to complain about. Because honestly this is what it is, complaining. I am not trying to be rude, but we know players on Xbox/Controller that are more than enough proficient on the Seas.

But to each their own. I rather see this game thrive and Rare focus on what matters.... Game performance, fixes and content (story over items). Now if there is data to support player loss based on CP, well then that is another discussion Rare will have to have. Even then, I bet there will be ways around this.

Everyone have a solid day!