Merchant Forager and Black Powder Merchant achievements basically impossible to get

  • Hello there It's me again with the same topic! Because nothing changed. I want to give feedback about them deliveries for powder kegs and fruit chests. It's been 4 months since my last thread and issue still isn't fixed. There was one update if i recall correctly since that topic.
    Is there is any plan reworking/fixing the situation with 2 achievements? Do we know anything when to expect addressing the situation?
    Currently there is no real way of getting the delivery except finding message in the bottle. During last 50hours we focused on that and picked up every bottle - our crew have seen there was only ONE delivery of powder keg.
    Achievements are literally uncreachable. So i just wanted to ask if you got anything on mind soon to resolve the matter?
    Previous topic had nice idea to introduce captain voyage for fruit crates and black powder crates to get.

    "Port Merrick to Morrows Peak
    and while we are sailing on this route spawn in some skelly ships and megs that we can defeat." or basically anything else allowing to complete these achievements

    Thank you for providing awesome Pirate sandbox game!
    It's been pleasure to sail on Sea of Thieves. Cheers, Peter.

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  • The kegs needs some way to get them more easily, since you could get them through merchant before. The other ones has always been rare

  • I feel like it would be great if they were as common as coral messages in a bottle. I get these all the time and if keg and crate voyages were as common, it would hopefully fix this issue.

  • @darthsmith5216 Just bring the barrel missions back, I don't understand why they removed that.

    It would still be difficult but not impossible.

  • Hello there It's me again with the same topic! Because nothing changed.

    You expect them to drop all the important stuff over a mild issue?

    Is there is any plan reworking/fixing the situation with 2 achievements?

    Mild. Not game breaking

    there is no real way of getting the delivery except finding message in the bottle.

    Do you expect to finish these quest by dinner or play the game and let them come naturally? There so many other achievements and tasks that require playing long term.

  • @burnbacon It's one of few i got left. I'm getting like 1-2 messages in the bottle with either kegs or fruit per like 100 hours. Drop rate is dramatically low

  • @burnbacon It's not fixed for about a year

  • Please fix these commendations/achievements for Merchant Forager and Black Powder Merchant!

  • @burnbacon sagte in Merchant Forager and Black Powder Merchant achievements basically impossible to get:

    Hello there It's me again with the same topic! Because nothing changed.

    You expect them to drop all the important stuff over a mild issue?

    Is there is any plan reworking/fixing the situation with 2 achievements?

    Mild. Not game breaking

    there is no real way of getting the delivery except finding message in the bottle.

    Do you expect to finish these quest by dinner or play the game and let them come naturally? There so many other achievements and tasks that require playing long term.

    The achievements are not harder than before, they are literally impossible.
    Ive played actively in this season finishing the Hunters call commendations and did a ton of the small fishing quests.
    But since the release of this season i didnt find a single crate delivery or keg delivery.

    This has been an issue for a long time now, which makes 2 achievements and 4 commendations impossible to complete.

    This needs fixing as soon as possible.

  • @itz-majman sagte in Merchant Forager and Black Powder Merchant achievements basically impossible to get:

    The kegs needs some way to get them more easily, since you could get them through merchant before. The other ones has always been rare

    The others have been rare before, but now they are at least 100 times harder.

  • @burnbacon said in Merchant Forager and Black Powder Merchant achievements basically impossible to get:

    You expect them to drop all the important stuff over a mild issue?

    Obviously different people understand priorities in a very different way.

    For example, it is clear that for you this is not important. And it is fine. But may be you could leave the toxic opinion aside.

    In my personal opinion, (nearly) blocked achievments that are supposed to be entry level for new pirates should be more important than new stuff like fishes that can not be eaten nor cooked; or place small cakes along the map to setup a puzzle that are resolved by 10 streamers who later make a youtube video and then every other player just copy and paste a numeric code with the solution without even care the message nor the purpose for an event that last just a few days and then will be forgotten; or making a new skin for a sword that will be used by 10 ppl during 3 days until they realize the previous sword they used were better.

    The list is actually pretty long. But I will stop here.

  • Merchant in general has sucked since season 11 came out. Animal and cargo runs only require 4 deliveries. Not only is this terrible for gold and reputation, completing commendations related to these is unreasonably slow, even for this game. For example, the animal commendations require at least 200 of each animal type to reach grade 5. That's 600 animals total, only the reasonable amount of completing at least 150 merchant animal quests, sailing to and from the outpost, finding the crates, and finding the animals. 150 times. Thats terrible.

  • I've whined about this a few times myself and I am in agreement.

    During the Event with the Special Sea forts, I did it almost entirely for the sake of the bottles. Out of the 4 bottles, I feel it only came up 1/5 of the time. Which makes sense since it already share a slot for special cargo runs. But the Treasure maps and Skeletons maps felt way more frequent.

    You have 1/3 chance to get a merchant quest from bottles.
    It has a 1/2 chance to be a delivery quest.
    and then it has a 1/4 chance to be the kind you still need to work on.
    (Someone do the math, I cant be bothered)

    It IS and issue, and thus should be solved, dont listen to what Bacon is saying. Compared to commendations for GH and OOS, which I've had completed for almost two years now, I still struggle to find these quests in bottles.

    We need a reliable way to find and complete them.

  • Dang, you wrote this while I wrote my post about the same issue, lol. I 100% agree. I'm a Completionist, and I totally get some commendations being a grind to get, or even taking hundreds of hours, but from my experience, the amount of time this commendation would take from zero to 100% in its current state is thousands, is not tens of thousands of hours. It's a serious issue and needs to be fixed

  • @themetalman4011 said in Merchant Forager and Black Powder Merchant achievements basically impossible to get:

    I've whined about this a few times myself and I am in agreement.

    During the Event with the Special Sea forts, I did it almost entirely for the sake of the bottles. Out of the 4 bottles, I feel it only came up 1/5 of the time. Which makes sense since it already share a slot for special cargo runs. But the Treasure maps and Skeletons maps felt way more frequent.

    You have 1/3 chance to get a merchant quest from bottles.
    It has a 1/2 chance to be a delivery quest.
    and then it has a 1/4 chance to be the kind you still need to work on.
    (Someone do the math, I cant be bothered)

    It IS and issue, and thus should be solved, dont listen to what Bacon is saying. Compared to commendations for GH and OOS, which I've had completed for almost two years now, I still struggle to find these quests in bottles.

    We need a reliable way to find and complete them.

    You had a better hit rate than I did at the Dark Fortress event. I did a Brig crew's worth of the voyage's and got 2 of the relevant merchant voyages. It's painfully slow.

  • For what it is worth, I did manage to pick up a barrel quest in a bottle last week. Granted it has been a while since I'd seen one, and you can bet I dropped everything to make sure I completed it, but they are still coming around. Drop rate does need to be increased though as it is much less than the early days and needlessly dragging the grind for them.

    Can't remember when I last got a fruit crate voyage though.

    Commendations and achievements need no fixing or adjustment (as that was done during the first year of the game). Drop rate of the voyages needs to be increased ever so slightly to match the past rate when they were found in bottles OR barrels.

  • I now also have 285/286 archievments in this game since I wrote my post almost 2 months ago.
    Guess which one is missing?

    It's simply impossible to complete this achievement! Nobody can tell me that this achievement was more difficult before season 11 than it is now.
    For example, you could complete 4 quests with the animal deliveries alone, each with +2 blasting barrels. You could search outposts, and so on.

    Fruit crates are rare with 50 but 100 blackpowder barrels are literally impossible to deliver.

    Currently, you have to make do with bottle mail and secret journals, which involve a terrible distribution of quests.

    Grade 5 emmisary quests would be a good solution, as you usually get a surplus of delivery quests for plants, rum and silk.

    (This message was written with a translator, because my english is not perfect, sorry bout that ;))

  • I hope Rare listens to you guys, Merchants haven't been getting love for ages. And we can't get all the Legendary Gear that's tied to Merchant quests if we joined later, or are trying to finish the quests later. I wish Merchants got quests that were more popular, their removed ones added back, and old ones given work to be more fun.

  • @dermasterbob said in Merchant Forager and Black Powder Merchant achievements basically impossible to get:

    The others have been rare before, but now they are at least 100 times harder.

    Eh, this is a bit overstated. if you are used to only searching for bottle quests at the outposts, then yeah these commendations/achievements may seem more difficult. However, the difficulty of finding the emergent merchant contracts in S11+ is the same as before with one MAJOR change... You have to leave the outpost to find the quests, and learn the spawn points of the pink journals on the big islands. Maps have been posted with optimal search routes, and you can easily dive to these islands with riddle quests if you want to server hop like the old days.

    Sometimes, it just take a bit of learning the new Meta.... especially when the main goal of S11 was to get boats to actually leave the outpost.

    Now yes, gunpowder contracts not appearing in the Merchant alliance fetch quests is a big change, but again once you get in the groove searching pink journals, you will find them in enough quantities to finish them off... assuming you want to leave the outpost.

  • @artie sagte in Merchant Forager and Black Powder Merchant achievements basically impossible to get:

    @dermasterbob said in Merchant Forager and Black Powder Merchant achievements basically impossible to get:

    The others have been rare before, but now they are at least 100 times harder.

    Eh, this is a bit overstated. if you are used to only searching for bottle quests at the outposts, then yeah these commendations/achievements may seem more difficult. However, the difficulty of finding the emergent merchant contracts in S11+ is the same as before with one MAJOR change... You have to leave the outpost to find the quests, and learn the spawn points of the pink journals on the big islands. Maps have been posted with optimal search routes, and you can easily dive to these islands with riddle quests if you want to server hop like the old days.

    Sometimes, it just take a bit of learning the new Meta.... especially when the main goal of S11 was to get boats to actually leave the outpost.

    Now yes, gunpowder contracts not appearing in the Merchant alliance fetch quests is a big change, but again once you get in the groove searching pink journals, you will find them in enough quantities to finish them off... assuming you want to leave the outpost.

    Its not an overstatement at all.
    Since season 11 i have found about 20 of these voyages and im playing actively always shooting out to every island looking for the jurnals and bottles.
    But 90% of the merchant missions i find are normal cargo.

    These commendations are nigh impossible at the moment, even my mates that have completed them ages ago, say that they are way harder to find these days.

  • @dermasterbob said in Merchant Forager and Black Powder Merchant achievements basically impossible to get:

    even my mates that have completed them ages ago, say that they are way harder to find these days.

    Obviously a person who had finished the commendation before the changes in Season 11 have no incentive to continue to search for the contracts and learn the new meta to be able to make a fair before/after comparison as to the effort required.

    Since season 11 i have found about 20 of these voyages and im playing actively always shooting out to every island looking for the jurnals and bottles.
    But 90% of the merchant missions i find are normal cargo.

    That is because shooting out to "EVERY" island is not the optimal way of farming these quests. It wasn't prior to S11 and isn't today. You have to concentrate your search where the quest spawn in high numbers. Prior to S11 it was the outposts... Today it's big islands in the pink journals.

    Grab green bottles when you see them of course for the tiny chance it drops a contract... but don't waste your time going out of your way for them unless you want/need the kingly loot.

    As you have discovered, the primary drops for the green bottles are all the new emergent quests with the higher value kingly, bounty, and cargo quests.
    The Pink journals still primarily drop the old pre Season 11 voyage quests (including the GH quests with low value castaway/seafarer chests, and bouties with the foul skulls etc).

    Tips

    1. Server hop and search ONLY big islands (which you can dive to with riddle quests).

    Pick one or two of your favorites, learn the journal spawn points, use the dive mechanic to get there quick
    There are Reddit threads and dedicated Discords which have SOT players posting optimal search maps and screen shots documeting all the spawn points. Some islands have 12+ spawn points.

    One popular island pair crews are searching are Snake/Crooks Hollow. You can dive nearby using the Cursed Rogue if you didn't spawn at Plunder when you server hop.

    1. Hop with friends. Get 2 friends and all three simultaneously hop on brigs to improve search efficiency. When one find the quests, the others can join for the sell.

    Again, this is nothing new. The only differnce instead of searching the outposts you spawn in at, you dive away to one island.

    Since the members of my typical crew have learned these methods, you'd be surprised how often they are calling out a discovery of a merhant contract. One time we pulled 3 in one run through Sunken Grove.

    So in conclusion, for SOT players willing to learn the new META... The Merchant contracts are still as plentiful and discoverable as prior Season 11. Just need to develop a little SOT geographical knowledge and move your boat a little more than before.

    If you and your crew dedicate some time exclusively to the search for the merchant you can easily complete these commendations in a couple week's time. It's far more effective than complaining on internet forums, IMHO.

    One additional point of trivia... The pink journal specifically tells you what type of quests it's about to give you. If they final page of the journals says "Take Mysterious Bounty" you are about to pick up an OOS quest. If it says "Take Mysterious Contract".... You are about to get a Fruit, Wood, Cannonball, or Gunpowder contract GUARUNTEED.

  • @themetalman4011 said in Merchant Forager and Black Powder Merchant achievements basically impossible to get:

    During the Event with the Special Sea forts, I did it almost entirely for the sake of the bottles.
    I still struggle to find these quests in bottles.

    The problem is you are searching exclusively the green bottles. The drop rate for merchant contracts is miniscule in these bottles as they primarily grant the post S11 high value emergent quests.

    We need a reliable way to find and complete them.

    There is one. Seek out and searck the pink journals and their "Mysterious Contracts". These primarily drop the pre S11 bottle quests including a much higher rate of providing the quests you seek.

  • Artie basically wrote everythubg I was going to write.

    These aren't impossible. They are harder that the kast few years. They're pretty close to launch difficulty (pre-barrel 2.0 parchments.) Plenty of pirates completed these year 1.

    Akso, if you use the term "literally impossible" the you lose the last of your credibility. Learn the definition of "literally. "

    If you just said "it is impossible" you'd still be wrong. But at keast I'd give you the benefit of the doubt that you knew you were using hyperbole. But "literally* has no place in a hyperbolic statement. Words matter. Literally.

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