Melee Combat System : How to improve the experience of Sword fighting making it more dynamic and complex

It is depressing to the melee combat still so clunky, its been a common request to add abit more depth to it for months and months. Im hoping its something they have been working on in the background but am assuming its not a quick fix.

I want to be in epic cutless battles for life and limb like real pirates, not the 3 hit stunlock death debacle. Heres hoping we get some changes soon.

@john-hatter a dit dans Melee Combat System : How to improve the experience of Sword fighting making it more dynamic and complex :

It actually doesn't sound that bad. One thing I would consider adding would be maybe a counter to countering. That way you don't get locked into being countered every time you try something. Plus if you get locked into a counter off chain it goes to the first person to screw up. Could even have a variant of animations for the counter so it will look like your sword fighting.

I'm not sure to understand your comment, you mean have the possibility to counter a counter (just like a Counter Breaker in Killer Instinct ?).

I personally enjoy a good sword fight but it does get a little dry... it’s not about skill at all, just basic luck and timing.

I’d love to see a more dynamic combat system introduced.

Your ideas are on point, for sure.

@ve111a “You can't have a true melee fight when you are inside your opponent.”

😂😂
Why fight ‘em if you can be inside ‘em?
😂

I like bushido blade style if two swords swing at same time and same area they should clash.

Ok so let me give you a quick rundown on the cutlass:

• Regular 3 swing combo that stunlocks
• Block that can be held indefinitely
• Successfully blocking the final 3rd hit of a regular combo pushes enemies back.
• Jump holding a direction while blocking to do a sidestep
• Lunge attack that pierces block
• Lunge attack while holding block to maintain normal movement
• Lunge attack while holding block then jump during the lunge animation to do a super jump foward
• Lunge attack while holding block + jump to resposition while widing up the lunge.

Now removing the stunlock from the regular swings would cause some netcode issues, mostly because players tend to be jumping all over the place, keeping them still while being damaged jut helps the combat be more fluid.

@knightx13

That is simply a buff to the sword for no real good reason, if you want moveset variety for melee combat, advocate for weapon variety instead, stuff like:

• Fast striking rapiers for fast swings at the cost of damage
• Heavy swords for slow attacks that pack a punch and a heavy attack uppercut that sends foes in the air
• Daggers for devastating backstabs and quicksteps
• Tridents that give you that extra range with thrust attacks but hitbox is less forgiving that a cutlass swing
• Long swords + buckler to give players a balanced defense and attack.

@knightx13 6 months ago, yikes, I'll be linkink to your thread from now on, seems like the most ancient and accurate thread so far.

@John-Hatter I see ! That's not a bad idea, but it will be more complex to move while you're in Defense mode to possibly escape an attack instead of counter it. The other possibility could be to look inspiration into For Honor and allow players to fake an attack to begin the animation of the second hit for example but cancel it to let the enemy fail a counter and not have enough time to defend himself against the beginning of the next 3-hits attack.

@Ve111a that's true but I think it's only in PvE, right ? You can't walk through enemy players, only skeletons, but I truly understand and approve this message !

@SBF-Weeze nobody here said anything about something to be too complex... What are you talking about ?

@Leospot828 maybe just 1 second then, but the stun just prevent you to defend yourself here, you can still move (at 25% of your maximum speed) and attack to prevent the enemy to approach you. Also, about the stun when you take a hit just give you more disadvantages, this is unfair BUT as you can notice, I suggest to make the stun less efficient by reducing speed to 50% and not 100% as currently.

@UrihamRayne I know all of this and I understand the point to immobilize the players, that's why I suggest to just slow them to 50% of their maximum speed. Maybe we could add after a player take a hit, he can't jump for 2 seconds to prevent any bunny fight ?
Anyway I love your comment about the different type of weapons and I really hope to see something like this before 2019.

@I-Mite-Dominate I disagree, I beat a lot of PC players even with guns so... That's not because you add a Counter and a stun effect for a succeed or failed counter that PC players will be even better ;)

@KnightX13 that's great idea here ! The only problem is there's no other advantage to be in Defense mode but defend yourself. Currently, be in Defense mode is a good thing to have normal speed while you're charging the Heavy attack. But I understand, maybe it would work with a complete rework. I'd hope to see some axes and other weapons which could add a little more complexity with much powerful attack which could push the enemy but taking more time to finish the animation.

@Murph0id you're happy with nothing then, it's just 2 attacks and a defense mode, there's nothing interesting in the current fight. Also I'm pretty sure you'd love it if it were A LITTLE more complex.

Thank you all anyway for your time and feedback, hoping the Melee Combat will be improved this year !

@grievous32 the fix to bunny hopping is diminishing returns on consecultive jumps, it isn't much that console can't replicate so removing it entirely is not wise either.

@markglow a dit dans Melee Combat System : How to improve the experience of Sword fighting making it more dynamic and complex :

my 2 cents (it may be all it's worth, LOL!)

To improve combat, primarily sword combat, why not have left trigger block, and right trigger attack, but use the right analogue stick to control the sword swiping and blocking. It would be sort of free motion sword fighting where you control the attack and block positions of the sword rather than a default swipe and block as it is today. Also for the super lunge attack, you would need to press right bumper or something. I think the super lunge attack is too important to remove from the game...

Also, to fix the bunny hoppers (they are annoying in my opinion), 3 hops and then they need a rest.

Thoughts?

It's just not possible... It's a FPS, the right stick control your sight, you can't change it roughly just because you take your sword, this could be absolutely not instinctive.

But about the bunny hop, it's a good thing to add a stamina to prevent people to abuse this and force them more to use the dodge (jump while you're in Defense mode).