Removal of emissary flags during the battle.

  • I would like to see a system like the flaming blade, in which the emissary's flag cannot be removed during combat.

    It is very annoying when you see an enemy from the 5th emissary of, say, the Union, and he just runs to the outpost as soon as possible, so as not to even give me the opportunity to grab the flag to complete the achievements.
    Moreover, it doesn't give them anything important (5 thousand gold), but I don't have the opportunity to complete the achievements.

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  • Nah.
    If you can't catch them, they they deserved to get away. They should not be forced to keep the flag up just because a Reaper wants to steal it but can't seal the deal.

  • @guildar9194
    I wrote like BB, if they are too far away, then, of course, please shoot as much as you want.

  • @guildar9194 said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    Nah.
    If you can't catch them, they they deserved to get away. They should not be forced to keep the flag up just because a Reaper wants to steal it but can't seal the deal.

    Interesting that Rare 100% doesn't agree with this thinking where the BB is concerned.

  • 5,000 gold or lose flag and 5,000 gold

    I’m taking the gold. Sorry you couldn’t catch them.

  • @habiki said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    @guildar9194 said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    Nah.
    If you can't catch them, they they deserved to get away. They should not be forced to keep the flag up just because a Reaper wants to steal it but can't seal the deal.

    Interesting that Rare 100% doesn't agree with this thinking where the BB is concerned.

    Interesting that Rare 100% agrees where Emissary flags are concerned.

  • @guildar9194 said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    @habiki said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    @guildar9194 said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    Nah.
    If you can't catch them, they they deserved to get away. They should not be forced to keep the flag up just because a Reaper wants to steal it but can't seal the deal.

    Interesting that Rare 100% doesn't agree with this thinking where the BB is concerned.

    Interesting that Rare 100% agrees where Emissary flags are concerned.

    I don't really think we can say this with certainty, as they haven't really given a hard stance recently. What they have done recently is change the BB vote down under these exact same circumstances. I wonder if any other changes may be getting mulled over at the office.

  • @whawk0 I think this is a good idea, ties in perfectly with more risk, more reward

  • The difference is the burning blade has been designed with pvp interaction in mind. Emissary flags may increase the risk but it's not part of the inherent gameplay so i don't think that should be blocked. No one owes a fight or a flag

  • "Please Rare, help me get my Achievements, while making the game worse for other players" is all that I hear.

    Rare have acquiesced to chasers enough already. The Burning Blade ship block was a huge misstep, in my opinion, and only hurt participation.

    Players are now more likely to run to Reapers with none or low rituals rather than risk going for bigger stacks. A similar thing would happen if Emissaries were ship blocked - players would raise Emissaries less or sell at lower grades more often.

  • @habiki said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    @guildar9194 said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    @habiki said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    @guildar9194 said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    Nah.
    If you can't catch them, they they deserved to get away. They should not be forced to keep the flag up just because a Reaper wants to steal it but can't seal the deal.

    Interesting that Rare 100% doesn't agree with this thinking where the BB is concerned.

    Interesting that Rare 100% agrees where Emissary flags are concerned.

    I don't really think we can say this with certainty, as they haven't really given a hard stance recently. What they have done recently is change the BB vote down under these exact same circumstances. I wonder if any other changes may be getting mulled over at the office.

    We can, because this has been proposed time after time and Rare never changed it, where they changed the BB imidiately. On top of that: you can't dive or portal hop with the BB, but you can with an emissary flag. Rare knew that portal hopping was going to be used to escape fights and save your emissary flag, and they knowingly allowed it to be in the game. So Rare definitely signaled they are fine with people not being forced to fight when they have an emmy flag and another ship is closeby.

    There is a crucial difference between the two: the BB is a world event and an emissary flag is not. People should be able to quit playing when they want and not forced to keep playing because they can't lower the emissary flag.

  • @super87ghost I mean, no one is forcing anybody to keep playing.........one could always log out, without voting down the emissary. Or one could always just turn and fight.

  • @habiki 'fight or face consequences' is definitely a way of trying to force people.

  • @habiki

    The next time you have an hourglass streak I want you to logout without turning it in.

    I want a clip.

    Or rules for thee not for me much?

  • Let's also not forget the Streamers who screamed for it said it was a bad idea after it got implemented.

  • @th3-tater said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    @habiki

    The next time you have an hourglass streak I want you to logout without turning it in.

    I want a clip.

    Or rules for thee not for me much?

    What rules? And who's talking about HG? I tend to turn and fight as opposed to spending half an hour running away.

    Let's not be obtuse and act like there isn't a bit of an inconsistency regarding the current vote down rules between the BB and emissary flags.

  • @habiki

    No. I want you to just logoff. With a streak. Go on and show us how it's not a big deal. No? Too proud to do it?
    Since someone else can just logoff instead of turning in their flag because someone is too close.

    You want people to do something you won't do. That's why I was saying tools for thee not for me.

  • @habiki said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    Let's not be obtuse and act like there isn't a bit of an inconsistency regarding the current vote down rules between the BB and emissary flags.

    Probably because these aren't the same thing?

  • @th3-tater said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    @habiki

    No. I want you to just logoff. With a streak. Go on and show us how it's not a big deal. No? Too proud to do it?
    Since someone else can just logoff instead of turning in their flag because someone is too close.

    You want people to do something you won't do. That's why I was saying tools for thee not for me.

    Why don't you chill out and actually read what I'm saying instead of just waiting for your turn to respond? I clearly said I typically turn and fight. I don't normally run, either in game or by logging off.

  • @d3adst1ck said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    @habiki said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    Let's not be obtuse and act like there isn't a bit of an inconsistency regarding the current vote down rules between the BB and emissary flags.

    Probably because these aren't the same thing?

    Of course they are. This entire game is predicated on the idea that the loot isn't yours until you turn it in.

    Since emissaries were introduced the notion of pledging yourself to something to earn increased rewards for extra risk has existed, and you've always been able to vote down at will.

    The BB is the same concept and uses the same mechanics. Indeed, it functioned the same way when the season launched. Now we have a disparity between the two where mechanics are concerned, in that you can no longer vote down if another ship is nearby.

    You can agree or disagree with the changes to how you vote down the BB. But it's pretty disingenuous to act like there are no similarities at all between the BB and how emissaries function where voting is concerned.

  • @th3-tater log off with a streak is not the same as logging off with a flag... you know that right? However it is similar to logging off without selling the loot and I have seen people do that plenty of times.

  • It seems that all the people who are against this proposal just want to mess with the players.
    You don't want to give up the banner, fight, you don't want to fight, either run or leave the session, and people will take the banner.

  • @whawk0 said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    It seems that all the people who are against this proposal just want to mess with the players.

    What? Mess with what players?

    The folks arguing against it are correct that it's a completely different scenario to the Burning Blade. The Burning Blade is a world event, the Emissary system is not. If you were to make them equivalent, you'd block the selling of all loot when another ship is nearby - and that's a terrible idea.

    You don't want to give up the banner, fight, you don't want to fight, either run or leave the session, and people will take the banner.

    All this just sounds like sour grapes, if I'm honest. It just seems like you want easy flags handed to you. You want people to fight, then bring your own flag and loot as well.

    Rare have already introduced plenty of concessions for players chasing others, including a change to how the Red Sea works, now dumping all loot and flags on the edge of it when a ship sinks there. If an Emissary portal hops, they also drop a copy of the flag. You cannot cash in Hourglass Allegiance if another opted-in ship is nearby either.

    We have enough ship blocks in the game and all a change like this will do is make it even harder for you to get the flags you want, as less folk will raise a flag to begin with.

  • @habiki said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    @d3adst1ck said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    @habiki said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    Let's not be obtuse and act like there isn't a bit of an inconsistency regarding the current vote down rules between the BB and emissary flags.

    Probably because these aren't the same thing?

    Of course they are. This entire game is predicated on the idea that the loot isn't yours until you turn it in.

    Since emissaries were introduced the notion of pledging yourself to something to earn increased rewards for extra risk has existed, and you've always been able to vote down at will.

    The BB is the same concept and uses the same mechanics. Indeed, it functioned the same way when the season launched. Now we have a disparity between the two where mechanics are concerned, in that you can no longer vote down if another ship is nearby.

    You can agree or disagree with the changes to how you vote down the BB. But it's pretty disingenuous to act like there are no similarities at all between the BB and how emissaries function where voting is concerned.

    The only similarity is that you vote. There are no similarities between the BB and your ship though since you have AI crew, a flamethrower and can't use portals/diving.

    I think they should have left the voting as it was when the season released, and looked at ways to improve the ability to engage the Burning Blade. Making the masts weaker might have helped prevent it from running away.

  • @habiki that's only because people cried about the BB vote down. So you might get what you are after...

  • @qu1etone said in Removal of emissary flags during the battle.:

    @habiki that's only because people cried about the BB vote down. So you might get what you are after...

    To be fair, I'm not really after anything. That's pretty clear if you read my posts throughout this thread. I-m just pointing out the similarities between the two things.

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