Is sea of thieves really a pvp game or is it a pve game?

  • So this is a question that I have been asking for a long while, since I started playing back in season 13, now admittedly when ever I or anyone seems to talk about safer seas and ways it could do with improvements a lot of people seem to comment "safer seas is just tutorial/tall tails" and essentially no one really uses it and everything goes on in high seas, but then I got thinking more, so I decided to do a little bit of maths, because I kind of like statistics in a strange way, now how am I going to do this cause I doubt that many people would admit to doing main game playing in safer seas, and its not that easy to go "well just look at what percentage of people became a pirate legend, so I took a look at more than that in the achievements, thankfully with it being cross platform and every player needing an Xbox account all the achievements are visible in the Xbox app, so I went there, and admittedly found something kind of interesting, somehow not every player has eaten a banana (even though its the first fruit in the barrel and I believe its the fruit given to you in the tutorial (which as a further side looking at the statistics not everyone has done which further adds to another annoyance I have which IDK if I'm allowed to say in this part of the forum)) only 66.8% of people have ate a banana and 63.65% have actually set sail, which is either a glitch in the system or not everyone who has played has even left the port they spawned on (unfortunately there is no like 100% sure fire achievement to say "you have played the game) anyway, I took the amount of certain achievements in sea of thieves and looked at them compared to "how many people who ate a banana also got this achievement" and this is what came up

    Achievement Name Players Unlocked Percentage (Adjusted) Safer or High
    Legends - Cronch 20,040,000 100.00% Safer
    I Wanna Be a Pirate 15,849,000 79.10% Safer
    Shopping for a Promotion 6,287,352 31.38% Safer
    Legends - This Is Unacceptable! 7,908,000 39.45% High
    O Captain! 4,947,000 24.69% High
    You Can Always Trust the Untrustworthy 3,396,000 16.95% High
    What's Yours is Mine 3,380,148 16.87% High
    A Crewed Wisdom 2,287,164 11.41% High
    That's 'Captain', Mate... 2,229,000 11.12% High
    The Shroudbreaker 1,940,028 9.69% Safer
    Defeating the Damned 1,334,664 6.66% High
    Summoning the Damned 1,191,780 5.95% High
    A Spectrum of Shadows 1,157,308 5.77% High
    Hold My Grog! 1,080,156 5.39% High
    A Touch of Class 843,684 4.21% High

    I added in the "higher" or "safer" which admittedly there is nothing stopping you from getting any safer seas achievements in the game in high seas (honestly just for statistics I would love for them to add a safer and high seas exclusive achievement, like you log in and get it) something I find interesting with it is while 79.1% of people who have eaten a banana have sold something to get a rank up and 31.38% have got any trading company past level 5 only 24.69% of players have been a part of a captained crew, and only 11.12% have actually bough a captained ship.

    until an achievement comes along that screams "THIS IS A SAFER SEAS ONLY ACHIVEMENT" there isn't a sure fire way to tell but looking at the details so far it seems that this game is played more by people who don't care about PvP or at least if they do care about PvP they aren't doing it how I expected them to do it, especially considering this is unacceptable and you can always trust the untrustworthy are both relating to stealing treasure and selling it which if you ask me is a key part of a PvP game about pirates, if anyone else has any achievements they think should be added to the list feel free to suggest it

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  • Always has been and always will be an adventure sandbox in my eyes.

    It's an overall awesome experience outside of the metas and drama.

    I don't like it all but I love it all. Just about every day I have a moment where I think to myself at some point in a session "this has been awesome and I still find ways to keep the party going".

  • Neither - it's a PvPvE game.

  • Is sea of thieves really a pvp game or is it a pve game?

    Last I see, it was Pvpve. Not one or the other, just PvPvE

  • Yeh it's a PvPvE game just like extraction shooters, however you can choose to not PvP at all or PvE at all in a SoT Session.
    That's the Beauty of it.

    Also regarding stats like how 20+% of players haven't eaten a banana, you gotta take account RARE do not care, they will still use metrics and numbers to their advantage by skewing and painting a false narrative that 40/50/60 million players have ''played'' Sea of Thieves. It's marketing jumbo. It's enough to fool investors dressed in suits to keep em happy.

    I look at Reliable sources Like Steam Stats and even with a big season like this one and a successful launch for once, the game still falls under 10k average players retention for the month. It hasn't gone over 10k since July of last year... Although I think end of this month it might average out anywhere from 9-14k players. That is really a poor stat for supposedly a 60 million player game EVEN if Steam has the lowest playerbase of any platform/launcher... The game has been out for years on Steam now for almost 5 years of the 7 years of the games existence...

  • The aim has never been to be a PvP or PvE game...

    Shared World Adventure Game (SWAG) is where it's at.

    You make your own adventure, choose your own path, and embrace your playstyle... while acknowledging and respecting that those around you are doing the same too.... even when it may be polar opposite to your choices.

    A life of piracy... you never know what's on the horizon.

  • @veronik5682 said in Is sea of thieves really a pvp game or is it a pve game?:

    I look at Reliable sources Like Steam Stats and even with a big season like this one and a successful launch for once, the game still falls under 10k average players retention for the month. It hasn't gone over 10k since July of last year... Although I think end of this month it might average out anywhere from 9-14k players. That is really a poor stat for supposedly a 60 million player game EVEN if Steam has the lowest playerbase of any platform/launcher... The game has been out for years on Steam now for almost 5 years of the 7 years of the games existence...

    Yes, Steam has probably the lowest playerbase; there were more than 344.000 Gold Hoarder emissaries last month, so if all players raised Gold Hoarders in Fenruary and delivered at least one GH item, that's about 3%. As not everyone did, it's even lower than that.

    As for people not eating a banana or not even have set sail, IIRC these commendations were bugged at release; but still, I guess loads of people downloaded it for free on game pass and didn't like what they saw, quit and removed it.

  • @quickhakker it’s a PvPvE game. Hope that helps.

  • @tesiccl tell that to the statistics and the sweats who seem to take the fun out of doing stuff on high seas

  • @quickhakker said in Is sea of thieves really a pvp game or is it a pve game?:

    @tesiccl tell that to the statistics and the sweats who seem to take the fun out of doing stuff on high seas

    Your achievement statistics mean nothing. You're comparing a "PvE / Safer Seas" achievement that takes doing a Tall Tale 5 times &c with reading a log book from another ship or turning in one chest that might have been stolen.

  • @quickhakker regardless, both options are available and all players are likely to engage in both during their time playing.

  • @veronik5682 said in Is sea of thieves really a pvp game or is it a pve game?:

    Also regarding stats like how 20+% of players haven't eaten a banana, you gotta take account RARE do not care, they will still use metrics and numbers to their advantage by skewing and painting a false narrative that 40/50/60 million players have ''played'' Sea of Thieves. It's marketing jumbo. It's enough to fool investors dressed in suits to keep em happy.

    and thats why i used the banana as a metric to figure out how many people actually play the game, as it takes more effort to not eat a banana than it does for anything else, like you could load up in high seas steal loot and try to sell it before you get caught (or even have a second person sail for you and sell stuff) get a captained ship and just fish at a port (as example) its also the highest achieved acheivement in the game (according to the xbox app)

  • @lem0n-curry said in Is sea of thieves really a pvp game or is it a pve game?:

    Yes, Steam has probably the lowest playerbase; there were more than 344.000 Gold Hoarder emissaries last month, so if all players raised Gold Hoarders in Fenruary and delivered at least one GH item, that's about 3%. As not everyone did, it's even lower than that.

    and thats why I chose to use the achievements as that to me gives a better representation of the players rather than saying "oh theres been x amount of copies sold" roughly a quarter of the entire playerbase (over xbone, series, ps5 and pc) is on steam, it would also remove any players that havent played it since the eat a banana achievement was fixed, tbh unless they add an achievement that will unlock when you start a specific game mode (high or safer) theres no real way to see what the players are like now

  • @lem0n-curry to get the shroudbreaker achievement you need to finish the first tall tail in the shores of goal storyline, no where does it say about how many times you have to complete it and I know for a fact I have only done it once yet i have that achievement, the reading a log book is counted and you get that after reading 1 log book, and if you look not only did i include the achievement for getting a level up in any emmisary but i included the stealing and having something stolen achievement

  • @quickhakker said in Is sea of thieves really a pvp game or is it a pve game?:

    @lem0n-curry to get the shroudbreaker achievement you need to finish the first tall tail in the shores of goal storyline, no where does it say about how many times you have to complete it and I know for a fact I have only done it once yet i have that achievement, the reading a log book is counted and you get that after reading 1 log book, and if you look not only did i include the achievement for getting a level up in any emmisary but i included the stealing and having something stolen achievement

    I must have remembered incorrectly; thought it was the last of the series doing it 5 times. Still takes a bit more effort than the other two but yeah significantly less than what I initially thought.

    Still, the first three you mention will be done by everyone not just PvE; that would leave only one (The Shroudbreaker) against 13 that need another (not necessarily hostile) crew. I don't think that would be sufficient to draw your conclusions on just that.

    Besides, doing Tall Tales does not define a person being PvE minded. Not everyone is interested in the Tall Tales and newer players might have done a few of the Monkey Island and/or the PotC ones and didn't enjoy those enough to do more.

  • Open Seas = PvPvE
    Safer Seas = PvE
    Hourglass = PvP

  • @lem0n-curry the banana was used to figure out how many people actually play sea of thieves or at least played at a point where the achievement wasnt bugged, i wanna be a pirate its hard to not play and sell without getting any rep (also i marked it as safer as technically you dont need to do high seas to get) same with shopping for a promotion, you can always trust and this is unaceptable are ones that pretty much you need to do high seas to get, the reason i selected a tall tail one is cause a lot of people (specifically reddit) seem to think that tall tails are the only reason to do safer seas (that and "extended tutorial") which as a side the in game tutorial for fishing really needs work

  • The game is a sandbox. You do whatever you want since there is no real win/lose conditions in this game. Approach challenges in both PvE & PvP in your own way.

  • PvP only just about. The pve side isn’t worth playing in safer seas and in high seas players will only troll you and spawn camp. It’s rather you pvp or don’t do 90% of the game.

  • @w0lf3112 Yet the hundreds of hours of my adventures that I have posted on my YouTube channel directly contradict this statement. PvP is not as prevalent as you falsely claim, this coming from a console player who plays on crossplay servers and have accomplished quite a bit in the game - solo even.

  • No major analysis required. It's a PvPvE game. Always has been always will be.

  • @rhythm3791 Ehh kinda Hourglass happens on Adventure Servers, PvE regularly interferes with hourglass matches

  • It always has been and remains PvPvE - so it is both. The PvE is there to collect swag the PvP is there for those who want pure PvP or as a risk element to you who have collected swag and want to get it back.

    It can go awery at times (circle in today when I was freshly spawned at Sactuary with a solo-sloop and got shot and ship set ablaze by a 3 pirate galleon with some VERY choice worded Brits but, this is pretty much a "welcome to the High Seas" risk in the game at times :P

  • I wonder if there's an account out there that has played quite a bit and never eaten a banana. I can't remember if that is an achievement that's been in game since prior to all the different types of food, but I think so? In that case, it's possible that you could play the game not caring about achievements and never eat a banana because it's the worst food type.

  • @d3adst1ck Good point, the only 'required' eating of a banana is during the Maiden Voyage....which I imagine a number of new or alt accounts have avoided or just not played.

  • @d3adst1ck said in Is sea of thieves really a pvp game or is it a pve game?:

    I wonder if there's an account out there that has played quite a bit and never eaten a banana. I can't remember if that is an achievement that's been in game since prior to all the different types of food, but I think so? In that case, it's possible that you could play the game not caring about achievements and never eat a banana because it's the worst food type.

    If it wasnt for the tutorial that i didnt realize was skippable, my first time playing i would have never eaten a banana, and the only time i have ever actually eaten a banana beyond goofing around was in pvp when fighting on another persons ship and needing food, and they only had bananas left. Im sure theres accounts that have never eaten bananas out there with considerable time in the game.

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