Carrack - 8 man Ship - Concept Drawings

@cheatingpirate I always think its good when someone puts time and effort into improving something and I can see you have thought this out. I'm all for larger ships with more crew even if I'm unlikely to use them simply because it makes the game more dynamic. I imagine the physics would be similar to the galleon but exaggerated.

I've had the same thought for awhile now.

If we had a 6 to 8 man ship, it would have to be crazy slow to get moving, crazy slow to stop and crazy slow to turn. In my opinion, that would balance it out. That would make it almost impossible to use to try and sneak up on other ships. As well, other ships could sail towards it much more easily. If you do sail up on it, you better be prepared to have a crazy and dangerous battle! It would be so much fun.

@cheatingpirate said in Carrack - 8 man Ship - Concept Drawings:

Bro, I can't wait until they add a server type that caters to fleets or big ships like the above. Thanks for sharing.

I really hope that Rare goes by what they teased at E3 and add servers that allow for 3-4 fleets.

I think servers with 8-10 ships, where you can have one of the following fleet set ups
1 Carrack (6 or 8)-man, 1 Sloop 2-man
1 Galleon 4 man, 1 Brigantine 3-man, 1 sloop 2-man
(other variety/mixes etc.)

In order for this to occur, there would probably need to be some sort of event that would give rewards to fleets. I think I have seen ideas already for fleet objectives and this may be out there already. But maybe an objective of transporting an item/chest that glows so that other ships can see which ship is transporting it. And whichever fleet delivers the chest to a certain outpost gets the reward. Encouraging fleets to try and stop/capture the Chest.

@mighty-ace123 said in Carrack - 8 man Ship - Concept Drawings:

Wow you put a lot of work in this, good job.
Question: wouldn't it be too slow for doing voyages?

I don't think this ship would really be meant for voyages. I think you'd choose this ship if you wanted to go stomp a skull fort, (although 8 people would be way too easy)

I don't know that an 8 man crew would ever be able to be balanced though. Just being slow isn't enough of a hinderance to balance it with other ships in the game, when you consider the two biggest advantages it has. One being excess firepower, and two being 8 people.

Right now, it takes one good pirate patching and bucketing to keep a galleon afloat in the middle of battle. Even if it took twice as much for this ship, that means two people can just be dedicated to keeping the ship afloat, while another 6 people, still 2 more than the biggest of the other ships, can just unleash hellfire on their enemies. No other ship type would stand a chance.

That being said, I think it's not a bad idea, and I really appreciate the amount of work put into it.

My ideas for balancing, other than making it painfully slow, is a limited mobility on broadside guns, and the rear guns should be fixed in place.

Right now the only reliable way to sink a ship is to board and kill the crew, but with this ship, no other ship type could survive boarding it. even if they send an entire galleon crew, they'd still be outnumbered 2/1, and their ship would be undefended. This ship would need to be more susceptible to sinking via cannonfire somehow

@rockinpodunk Honestly, I think they are just going to have to add some kind of Fleet link up option for certain events that would bring players into servers that only have other fleets and not solo ships. Its going to take some extra work on the Devs part, and they are going to have to make a decision on how big the fleets would be etc. But I hope they do add this server type cause I know many of us really want to see it in the game (separate from regular servers).

I think a transition could be to make an island (or maybe just use the current outposts) where you can go and link up with other ships, either friends, or randoms, to create a temporary fleet. This would then transfer you into a Fleet server where you would have to compete in events against other fleets.

@enginefear said in Carrack - 8 man Ship - Concept Drawings:

@rockinpodunk Honestly, I think they are just going to have to add some kind of Fleet link up option for certain events that would bring players into servers that only have other fleets and not solo ships. Its going to take some extra work on the Devs part, and they are going to have to make a decision on how big the fleets would be etc. But I hope they do add this server type cause I know many of us really want to see it in the game (separate from regular servers).

I think a transition could be to make an island (or maybe just use the current outposts) where you can go and link up with other ships, either friends, or randoms, to create a temporary fleet. This would then transfer you into a Fleet server where you would have to compete in events against other fleets.

In a recent video, the Dev team said that very soon, they plan on adding a mechanic for crews to form official alliances. These will be uneasy alliances, as the allied crews could still harm one another, but so Long as the alliance remains, each crew would share rewards as though they were one crew. That will make it a lot easier to complete a lot of the multiple crew challenges

@rockinpodunk Do you have a link? I may have seen the video, but I don't recall any specifics like the above, just that they were playing with the idea. So I am wondering if they have had any update

@enginefear said in Carrack - 8 man Ship - Concept Drawings:

@rockinpodunk Do you have a link? I may have seen the video, but I don't recall any specifics like the above, just that they were playing with the idea. So I am wondering if they have had any update

I'm not certain about a link, but I'm pretty sure it came out during E3, and it was Shelly that was mostly talking about it. Try this link: https://youtu.be/bEm_L2Ay6FE

It's a long video so I don't have time to go through it to make sure, but I'm 70% sure it was this video

@cheatingpirate said in Carrack - 8 man Ship - Concept Drawings:

@rockinpodunk well with it's huge size, and plenty of room for tons of holes in the lower hull, that could mean more than one person needs to be added to keep the ship afloat. So if the side of the hull is riddled with holes, at least 5, more than half of the crew is needed to fix it. Then 3 still on top.

I think a crew of 6-8 would be really difficult to manage. (it would be cool), but you would definitely have to LFG or have a good group of people who are willing to follow orders because most of the time randoms just like to sit afk while the rest of the crew does the hard work. 4-man is difficult enough. But I will say that when you do get a really good crew that listens and follows orders (adjusting sails, etc.) it can be super fun and efficient.

Again, I really like the idea of a big ship, don't know if enough people are going for it that the devs would add it. The Fleet ideas though really need to be added :)

@urihamrayne said in Carrack - 8 man Ship - Concept Drawings:

I am surprisingly ok with the design and the number of players manning that thing, but I doubt it will ever see the light of day, the metagame right now for sea of thieves is boarding, if you have more people onboard a ship it gives too much room for players to board at nauseum, like it really is a problematic issue to consider 8 people fighting against a 2 man ship, how do you even desingage? Of course you could just say "just don't fight Carraks as a sloop, lol" but then what about world events and future events? Like a fort is never going to be contested by a sloop for the rest of the game's lifespan if a carrak gets there.

I really would like to see bigger crews, but this game's balance wouldn't allow it, another reason why fleets are also a bad idea as well, you really need to go out of your way to make more than 4 of your friends be in the same session, if its too easy the game breaks.

This is why I was saying that if they introduced this ship, it would have to be in the form of a fleet server. It would work pretty well there, because teams would have the option to pick between having a (carrack and a sloop), or having a (galleon, a brigantine, and a sloop). This would make the player count per fleet more even and thus making a carrack a plausible possibility.