Is "Crud Launch" getting patched out soon?

They have an ethics issue with the community on this one.

People think it's ok, people think they won't face consequences for it, it's popular in content and engagement farming.

People shouldn't do it. Rare can enforce, it's silly to think a youtube video somehow protects the player from enforcement in rule violations. It's silly to think content creators are authorities on what is ok and what isn't with a launch exploit.

I have no doubt they are working on it but it's gonna take some time to get the community back on the same page with this one.

I say this all the time and I'll say it here too,

Don't do it, it's not as safe as you think it is, play fair and encourage others to play fair as well.

Do it in a substantive way to help others, don't just get involved in drama, try to encourage fair play, not just start drama over it.

Remember, the latest update on exploits is that they will consider enforcing on them and it is on the player to avoid gameplay that isn't fair and within the rules.

@wolfmanbush said in Is "Crud Launch" getting patched out soon?:

People shouldn't do it.

Many people do it anyway and will always abuse any bug or exploit they can. Half the SoT playerbase are children and angsty teenagers who watch their friends do it and watch content creators encourage it. Rare just has too soft a touch on this one. They patched Burning Blade exploits in a few days, why not patch issues that are negatively impacting PvP as well as the economy? Even if it's rough bandaids in the meantime, like not being able to enter a cannon with your fishing rod equipped. In what possible circumstance would that be required in any case?

@hefty-henri said in Is "Crud Launch" getting patched out soon?:

@wolfmanbush said in Is "Crud Launch" getting patched out soon?:

People shouldn't do it.

Many people do it anyway and will always abuse any bug or exploit they can. Half the SoT playerbase are children and angsty teenagers who watch their friends do it and watch content creators encourage it. Rare just has too soft a touch on this one. They patched Burning Blade exploits in a few days, why not patch issues that are negatively impacting PvP as well as the economy? Even if it's rough bandaids in the meantime, like not being able to enter a cannon with your fishing rod equipped. In what possible circumstance would that be required in any case?

My interest (as this is all that is within my power) is to put good messaging out there.

I not only want people to consider looking at things a different way but also changing risky/harmful activity before it becomes an issue for them.

a lot of people are just caught up in things, can happen to anyone
online influence is something that a lot of people are caught up in

I post about what makes sense. It just makes sense to avoid/stop participating in things that violate the rules of fair play. It's always a risk so even if someone doesn't think it's wrong it still just makes sense to not put the account at risk.

When the most recent word from Rare is that they are against exploits and may enforce then it makes that first video irrelevant. The most recent info should be considered a warning for those that are combat exploiting.

It just makes sense to back away from the exploits and move forward in fair play. It's the smart move, it's the fair move, it's the safer move.

@wolfmanbush You're 100% right and teaching people not to exploit has value, but reality is the majority of people who exploit will not be reading these types of messages or even if they do, will continue anyway. There's nothing anybody can do against that except Rare taking more swift action on forcefully removing such exploits even if it breaks some other, more insignificant part of the game in the meantime. The more insignificant part can be fixed on a longer term.

@hefty-henri said in Is "Crud Launch" getting patched out soon?:

@wolfmanbush You're 100% right and teaching people not to exploit has value, but reality is the majority of people who exploit will not be reading these types of messages or even if they do, will continue anyway. There's nothing anybody can do against that except Rare taking more swift action on forcefully removing such exploits even if it breaks some other, more insignificant part of the game in the meantime. The more insignificant part can be fixed on a longer term.

to me it pays off if just one person considers it

Rare is gonna do what Rare is gonna do and players will as well

we all are just regularly waiting to see what happens.

Good investment for me, never know what might happen.

@kezmur said in Is "Crud Launch" getting patched out soon?:

Doesn't seem common, I only recently encountered it for the first time. Being able to land on someone's ship from directly behind them is stupid and I don't think will even be possible with the upcoming harpoon gun, it's range isn't long enough for that. It's dumb and should be patched

Unlike downloaded programs and like season 13 pve cheating it's not a situation where people hide it.

People record themselves doing it, they announce it in game in hot mics, they troll with it, they think it's funny/harmless, etc. They also don't think they will get in trouble for it.

Unlike program cheating there is strong evidence that it exists regularly, widespread, and within casual play.

People's anecdotal examples/experiences will vary but there is enough evidence to suggest that it is a widespread issue in pvp and in risk/reward scenarios in random adventure.

At the low end there were 20k people caught up in some of the worst pve cheating that people can do, mass duping reward through disconnecting the net, they are getting the strats from some of the same groups that spread the combat exploits. It makes it very likely that many people are also using the other strats as they are less severe and people aren't worried about consequences.

Unlike program cheats we have a lot more to work with to get a good read on how common it is in this game, and in random adventure.

@kezmur said in Is "Crud Launch" getting patched out soon?:

@wolfmanbush I don't follow streamers or content creators much, just speaking from my in-game experience, in adventure at least. I haven't done much hourglass lately, I could see it being more visible there easily. When i did encounter it once, it was a serving hopping Reaper V sloop. I think this is something Rare should take a firmer public stance on though, especially if there's a fix upcoming.

I dunno if there is any bite to the bark but they did do what they should have done. They released another video that made it more clear that exploits are not something they are ok with, that they can lead to consequences, and that it's on the player to not get involved in the major exploits that go against fair play. Launches that get distance and angles that are unintended in a game like this is very much a violation of fair play.

They've done alright in season 13 with it. Pretty darn good compared to the past, now it's just a wait and see scenario to see if that stays consistent going forward.

As long as they are headed in the right direction then requiring patience is fair, so far in season 13 it seems right direction to me. Even if it's a slow process.

They handled the season 13 specific exploits way better than in other seasons.

@ictus-xxi said in Is "Crud Launch" getting patched out soon?:

Im sorry but they literally said that people wont be penalized for the way way way more broken ladder launch. Banning people over the crudlaunch while declaring ladderlaunch to be an OK exploit that theyll maybe fix in the future is absolutely absurd. Players definitely can reasonably assume that crudlaunch is OK to use without getting banned for it.

There is a point where people have to take accountability for the nonsense they do. A lot of the exploiters are roaming around on brigs and doing it against sloopers and many sloopers are solo.

No matter what Rare said at one point it has always been ridiculous to do that to sloopers and solos. It's a gross violation of fair play, and keep in mind sloopers were dealing with this when the Brig was at plaid speed before they acknowledged how OP the brig speed is.

I'm a lenient dude but people need to own up to some of the nonsense that they have been doing to the others in this game.

People getting spawn camped by an OP boat that devs (and some in the community) didn't publicly acknowledge for 2 years and these exploits also being a part of it has been ridiculous history in this game. They never should have got those boards, in lots of cases they never should have got those camps.

It's not naval enthusiasts using this, it's campers that are beatable in naval. It significantly alters outcome in a game where far more can handle naval fights than tdm fights.

I may sound stupid here, but what is Crud Launch?

@n3rdgirl646116 said in Is "Crud Launch" getting patched out soon?:

I may sound stupid here, but what is Crud Launch?

Not knowing something and asking about it never makes someone sound that way.

It's a nickname for a launch exploit that allows unintended results and favors the crew doing it. More distance, more angles.

I just watched a video to see exactly what this Crud launch is (and the Dolphin). It should be a no-brainer these should be patched.

@a10dr4651 said in Is "Crud Launch" getting patched out soon?:

I saw an excellent example first hand of why this exploit is completely unbalanced and needs patching asap. I was fighting a 4 crew burning blade, i was out navaling them constantly but they'd cannon launch 2 guys while I was at the rear of there ship in prime position and they'd appear alongside my boat. So now I've got 2 guys to deal with because they've turned in mid air towards me completely removing the naval advantage I'd gained. Because I'm used to these kinds of things I prevented there attempts but it put a massive sour taste on the fight so I left. Exploiters don't get my time.

To the Devs, this needs patching as a priority.

The blunder change makes it worse for smaller crews and especially solos in a lot of these situations.

An underdog sloop fight rarely changes in SoT against a larger aggressive and/or experienced pvp crew.

It's just surviving spam while trying to put on some pressure. Chainshot spam and/or board spamming.

They only need to get the mast down or get the anchor down once so they just spam until that happens.

Once that happens that's where the blunder change makes it worse because it's a popcorn fest rather than getting kills so the underdog player/s have a worse chance of getting out of that situation.

Now where this makes the blunder change a lot worse for these situations is how common launch exploits are.

They are getting boards they shouldn't and anchors they shouldn't specifically because of an exploit and now they are mostly just going to be popped off rather than sent to the ferry. Popcorning people does not help in defense in this very common situation against larger crews.

Essentially guaranteeing their win in that situation rather than it just being a very tough situation to get out of.

People feel how they feel about the blunder change and that's ok but it's just a fact that it makes it worse for a lot of people in this game in a very common scenario in adventure. A scenario that very often includes these exploits now.

@captain-fob4141 said in Is "Crud Launch" getting patched out soon?:

@wolfmanbush as a counterpoint, iv found it infinitely easier to deal with boarders with the blunder rework. But it is anecdotal.

How? so much of combat is a dice roll in performance and at the moment the blunder leans in favor of larger crews, by a lot.

There isn't anything they brought to the table in an underdog situation, they only removed power.

If you are solo v solo

crew vs crew

or fighting inexperienced players then it wouldn't change much but it's def not a better weapon for a solo vs experienced crews.

There are situations where some people won't see much change but there really isn't a case for it being a better solo defense weapon.

In a spam board situations against larger crew they always get on eventually, that's why they spam board. Even if a solo is very skilled there are countless game bugs that will let a player on eventually. Or they just get the mast down and keep spamming.

In that situation all solos and sloops are at more of a disadvantage with a popcorn/no 1 shot weapon.

Anything you can do now you could have done before this patch, the only thing that has changed is now you won't get efficient kills with a blunder.

At a bare minimum these launch exploits should have been fixed before nerfing solos/sloops that fight larger and experienced crews.

@captain-fob4141 said in Is "Crud Launch" getting patched out soon?:

@wolfmanbush the lack of power means it's hard for them to kill me and keep me spawn killed whereas I can kill with knives or flintlock just the same. It's just as easy to prevent the from getting on board and now it's harder for them to spawn camp. A net positive in my books.

In a bigger crew situation with experience it's not difficult for them to get a camp. They don't need the one tap because they have the power of numbers and pressure.

They just removed power from the smaller crew/solo.

What I have been talking about with the blunder will be seen on every stream of a solo that engages in challenging combat against larger crews. Especially against launch exploit crews.

There won't be a bunch of footage of solos feeling stronger or performing better when on the ropes with the blunder against larger experienced crews. They aren't in a better situation and that's gonna show in footage that players create.